Inevitability

By Booman Tribune

by clammyc

For the past 7+ years, my conservative father’s
stock snarky answer to anything that I pointed out about the Bush
administration or the rubber stamp republican Congress was met with a
comment to the effect of “oh, don’t you worry, President Hillary will
come in and make everything all better”. I always told him that
(besides the fact that he was dodging the issue to begin with) there
was no way that she would be elected President.

A couple of years ago, when he made that comment to me, my reply was
that she wouldn’t even get the nomination - and we even bet a dinner on
it. He could only ask who would possibly get the nomination over her.
Now, this diary isn’t about Hillary Clinton - it just happens that her
Presidential campaign is the product of a Democratic Party mindset that
has resulted in oh-so-narrow losses (for the most part) and even some
“key victories” in certain ever-shrinking lists of “swing states”.

 

Now, the “50% + 1” approach worked for the republicans for a number of
years, and it (possibly in a self fulfilling prophesy) took a number of
states, races and seats out of Democratic Party reach as a result of
not even competing in these places. And while her campaign and chances
may not be over, this old style of running a winning campaign most certainly is over.

After all, it was inevitable, right?

I guess it was a fairly safe bet for me to say that she wouldn’t get
the nomination - since the Democrats are not like the republicans in
that the candidate who put in his (and yes, “his”, because it is the
republicans we are talking about here) time in and was “next in line”
became the nominee. Remember - as late as 2003, Joementum was
considered the frontrunner and likely candidate. Bill Clinton in 1992
was certainly not the early favorite, and Gary Hart was the early
favorite in 1988 as well.

What this is about more than just how the early frontrunner doesn’t necessarily get the nod (or doesn’t usually get it) is the reason why she lost.

When I bet my dad that dinner, I am not sure that Obama had even
declared his candidacy - or whether my dad even knew who Obama was. But
I knew that there would be a new way of running a campaign - by using
the technology and outreach of the internet, the grassroots, the
netroots and social networking in order to organize, raise money, share
experiences and GOTV.

We saw the start of that in 2004 with Dean’s campaign. We saw Dean beat
the Democratic Party over the head in order to get buy in for the “50
state strategy” - and it has worked in a huge way. Credit some of it to
Obama being able to draw in so many new voters (although if not him,
then it very well may have been Edwards or someone else). Credit the
2006 elections, the “macaca moment” raising viral videos to a whole new
level.

Either way, is was clear to many people way smarter than me that a
targeted state, short sighted (and not looking past the first “Super
Duper Ultra Mega Tuesday” was somewhat shortsighted), top down campaign
that didn’t take advantage of this technology and drastically shifting
landscape wouldn’t win if there was to be one that was able to
capitalize on the “50 state strategy” and connectivity/outreach
potential that the internet/social networking/current technology
provides.

That isn’t to blame Senator Clinton for not seeing this and taking this
approach. She ran a campaign that she thought would be successful. One
that sold her as “the inevitable nominee, so get on the bandwagon
early”. But she, and the other top advisors didn’t anticipate (or did
anticipate and chose not to utilize it) that there was another way to
organize - another way to run a national campaign that would maintain a
large degree of control but also involve people in all corners of every
state of the country - not just “the big ones” or “the swing ones” or
whatever else that excludes a large portion of the population.

And yes, Senator Clinton, with the two decades of name recognition and
pretty impressive credentials, not to mention the Clinton name, brand
and “machine” behind her drew a huge number of votes in every state.
More than McCain in most states - even in states where she lost and
McCain won.

But another candidate was able to overcome all of this - and get more votes than her in almost all of these states, even with all of the built in early advantages for Clinton.

Which is a testament to a new style of running a winning campaign - and
one that should make all of those who rely on the “old model” of
running a campaign very scared. Including McCain, Clinton and anyone
else who doesn’t get on board.

After all, it was only inevitable that this would happen.

 

Comments

(146)

That's why it is still possible...

However improbable, that Hillary could take this to a brokered convention. If the white guys in smoke-filled rooms get into it, Hillary could just get the privilege of losing to Grumpy. Don't laugh...the Dems have this way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. What we need to do, is everything we can to prevent this happening.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Nah...

I think that ship sailed two weeks ago... from North Carolina.

Ain't happenin'.

Nobody cares about a state with 5 electoral votes (West Virginia), populated by toothless, tobacco-spitting hillbillies that are going to vote for McCaine anyway.

Do you even read anything?

WV will go to Clinton if she is the nominee, you jackass. It is a strong Dem state and they love Clinton there just like they love her in OH, PA and MI. Obama will lose WV and PA, OH and MI. You Obamacons just cant wait to elect McCain. Go McGovern! We Hillary supporters control half the party and we will not let you libtards nominate another losing candidate. You deluded fools do this every time that Dems have a good chance to win. You want to nominate the only candidate who will lose to McCain. We will not let you drive the car off the cliff AGAIN!

Why do I have a very strong feeling ...

that one day soon, we're going to see a video of Sputter, hiding under a sheet in his grandma's basement, crying his heart out, black mascara and eyeliner running down his face as he screams, "LEAVE HER ALONE! YOU DON'T KNOW BRITNEY ... I MEAN HILLARY! YOU PEOPLE ARE SO MEAN TO BRIT ... I MEAN HILLARY! LEAVE HER ALONE! BRITN ... I MEAN HILLARY HASN'T DONE ANYTHING TO YOU! LEAVE BRITNE ... I MEAN HILLARY ALONE!!"

Then MTV's going to offer Sputter his own reality show.

"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
Tracy Morgan, SNL

You, like all libtards

also have a strong feeling that Obama will beat McCain. But this is reality and Hillary and her supporters have more than half the votes. That is reality. We will not let you elect McCain.

By hufflarry2000May 15, 2008 - 10:13am

That is reality. We will not let you elect McCain.

So you will vote for Obama in November?

If he is the nominee

of course I will. I have backed many losing Dem candidates. Then after you libtards wreck the party (AGAIN) we real Dems will rebuild it (AGAIN) so that you can nominate another losing candidate (AGAIN) We wont let you do it this time.

By hufflarry2000 May 15, 2008 - 10:21am

Well there you go. Now what the hell are you going on about? Obama is the nominee. And you said you'll vote for him.

What is this other nonsense? ITS OVER.

Stop being so bitter.

Obama is not the nominee

as neither candidate has the needed delegates yet. Stop lying. It is NOT over because Hillary and her supporters control half the party and we will do everything possible to keep you libtards from handing the election to the Republicans.

By hufflarry2000May 15, 2008 - 10:46am

Obama is the nominee

And you said you would vote for him.

End of story. Stop this Hillary nonsense. She lost.

Obama is not the nominee

I can prove it. You are lying.

By hufflarry2000May 15, 2008 - 10:55am

Who will learn the truth first? Hillary or Huff

Obama is the nominee

By hufflarry2000 May 15, 2008 - 10:21am

The best part about it, huff, is that the Dems held a significant majority...
until the Clintons came in and wrecked it.

And, now? The future of the Democratic Party (see Doctor Dean and the 50-State Strategists) are rebuilding what they wrecked...
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He hates to be called

Dr. Dean as he no longer practices medicine. Stop it! Seems like Clinton was elected in 2 landslides.

By hufflarry2000 May 15, 2008 - 11:14am

he no longer practices medicine.
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Don't be silly. He's prescribing the cure for the Party that Team DLClintoncrats put on its death bed...
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By SJerseyIndyMay 15, 2008 - 11:17am

I'm so glad the thuggish control the Clinton's have had on the party is coming to an end.

By f u bush2 May 15, 2008 - 11:18am

Likewise. But don't expect them to go away quietly. You can already see them trying to get their feet in the door to our White House by pushing the "Dream Ticket" so as to try to exert their ever-decreasing influence...
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such delusions

Go McGovern!

By SJerseyIndyMay 15, 2008 - 11:30am

The Dream ticket is unnecessary. Hillary tried all the right wing smear tactics to no avail. The republicans wanted Hillary all along. She is the weaker candidate because of all her baggage and negatives. The republicans didn't get what they wanted and now they have no chance.

I'm hoping Obama will go on the offensive in the campaign. Take it to McCain from the start. Compare him to Bush.

I find it amazing

that you actually believed that the Republicans wanted to run against Hillary. Dont you know that everything they say they mean the opposite? They are jumping for joy to have a chance to run against a black man. It is their dream come true. I thought you were smarter than to be fooled like that.

By hufflarry2000 May 15, 2008 - 11:47am

Yep. They wanted Obama to be the nominee so they actively worked to try and make Hillary the nominee. Please do us a favor, and go kill yourself.

Don't wait.

Don't. Fucking. Wait.

Do it now.
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By SJerseyIndyMay 15, 2008 - 11:53am

I really can't tell whether Huff and FACTME are just bitter or actually right wingers playing games.

Either way they are irrelevant. At least their opinions on the nomination are.

I can't wait until Hillary announces she is ending this charade and these 2 are still saying she can win.

By f u bush2 May 15, 2008 - 11:57am

I really can't tell whether Huff and FACTME are just bitter or actually right wingers playing games.
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I've been saying it for some time now: as of late, there is little difference between Hopeless Hillbots and Dimwitted Dittodolts.
In fact, they've been finding themselves playing on the same team.

Of course, anusleaky is in denial about it. That's why Rush didn't urge his listeners to crossover and vote for Hillary, and that's why Bubba didn't go on the Limbaugh show the day before the OH and TX primaries when Rush was out "sick" to urge them to do the same, and that's why the percentages of Republicans voting in Dem primaries didn't increase, and that's why the percentage of those Republicans voting for Hillary didn't increase, and that's why we didn't get an increase here in the number of trolls participating in much of the same antics, and on and on and on. All of those things never happened.

I can't wait until Hillary announces she is ending this charade and these 2 are still saying she can win.
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I'm not of the belief that she will do as much. I happen to be of the belief that they will go on to Denver to fight it out. And my guess is that both anusleaky and LIES2WE will be saying she can win the entire time. So much to look forward to. But I hope I'm wronger than wrong.
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ummm...

Most of the Republicans who crossed over voted for Obama. Rush and his ditto heads have you libtards totally confused again. But you libtards always come to the wrong conclusion.

Hey, Sputter! Does your nose grow when you LIE?

"[edit] Operation Chaos
In late February 2008, Limbaugh announced "Operation Chaos", a political call to action with the initial plan to have voters of the Republican Party temporarily cross over to vote in the Democratic primary and vote for Hillary Clinton, who at the time was in the midst of losing 11 straight primary contests to Barack Obama. The previous month, Markos Moulitsas of Daily Kos suggested a similar idea to have Democrats cross over to vote for Mitt Romney in Michigan in order to lengthen the Republican primary, in which Mike Huckabee and eventual presumptive nominee John McCain were seen by Moulitsas as being in the lead.[11] Limbaugh has also cited the open primary process in the early primary states of New Hampshire and South Carolina, which allowed independent voters to cross over into the Republican primaries to choose John McCain over more conservative candidates (such as Fred Thompson), as an inspiration.

At the point in which Limbaugh announced his gambit, Obama had seemed on the verge of clinching the Democratic nomination.[12] However, Clinton subsequently won the Ohio primary and the Texas primary (while losing the Texas caucus and the overall delegate split) with large pluralities from rural counties; thus reemerging as a competitive opponent in the race.[13] Statistics released by the state of Texas show Hillary Clinton won the primary due to a large number of Republicans crossing over to vote for her. Whether those voters were Operation Chaos Operatives or simply Republicans who like Hillary is impossible to tell.[citation needed]

On March 27, 2008, Limbaugh said "The dream end of this [of Operation Chaos] is that this keeps up to the convention, and that we have a recreation of Chicago 1968 with burning cars, protests, fire, and literal riots and all of that, that is the objective here [of Operation Chaos]."[14]

On April 29, 2008 Limbaugh declared an "operational pause" in Operation Chaos, saying that Obama's defeat in the 2008 Pennsylvania primary and fallout from statements from Obama ally Reverend Jeremiah Wright could have damaged his campaign to the extent superdelegates would shift to Clinton's side.[15] Determining Obama had weathered that storm, Limbaugh lifted the pause the next day and renewed his call for his listeners to vote for Clinton in the upcoming Indiana and North Carolina primaries.[16] Obama won the North Carolina primary[17] but was narrowly defeated in Indiana, where Clinton won decisively in rural counties that normally vote Republican in presidential elections.[18] According to CNN exit polls in Indiana, 13.4% of Clinton primary voters would vote against Clinton and for McCain in the General Election, if Clinton is the nominee (compared to 4.5% of Obama voters who would vote for McCain in a hypothetical matchup between McCain and Obama).[19]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show#Operation_Chaos

"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
Tracy Morgan, SNL

By Pookie2112 May 15, 2008 - 1:09pm

Nope. Never happened. Doesn't exist. Stop lying!

Help me someone,
hufflarry2000
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Not enough people

listen to Rush to make a difference. Over 60% of Reps who crossed over voted for Obama. That is what Rush and the neocons wanted to happen. They fool you libtards every time.

Care to PROVE your post, Sputter?

Come on, Pinocchio, give me some FACTS, baby!

LOL - why, because LIMPBALL's said so??

"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
Tracy Morgan, SNL

Facts

see above.

WHERE??!!

"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
Tracy Morgan, SNL

By hufflarry2000May 15, 2008 - 1:22pm

You speak bullshit as usual.

You tell us those that whole heartedly will NOT vote for Hillary that you don't need us. But you say Obama can't win without the will of Clinton supporters.

Like Hillary you can't plan ahead. You should think about the bullshit you might say tomorrow before speaking your bullshit today.

By hufflarry2000 May 15, 2008 - 1:22pm

Facts
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Fact: Hillary's percentage of Republican votes increased over a course of time (from as low as 23% to as high as 54%) when Limbaugh was urging listeners to cross over and vote for her.

Those damned facts.
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and again

Rush does not have enough listeners or power to do anything like that.

By hufflarry2000 May 15, 2008 - 1:43pm

It was a complete coincidence. And you're not delusional. Anything else you wanna try to sell us on?
Cause nobody seems to be buying any of your other shit...
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By Pookie2112 May 15, 2008 - 1:19pm

No, but seriously... the fact that Hillary's percentage of Republican votes increased over a course of time (from as low as 23% to as high as 54%) when Limbaugh was urging listeners to cross over is purely coincidental and no links can be drawn between the two. It is all simply a result of a larger percentage of Republicans finally deciding that they really did want one of the members of the family they despise as much as (if not more than) the Kennedys to be President. Seriously. Trust huff. Those Republicans really want Hillarycare.
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It is just that so many Republicans

have had enough of their party and are leaving it for the Dems. Obama is getting a small majority of those votes except for in states like OH and PA. Republicans do not despise the Clintons as much as you think.

re: By hufflarry2000 May 15, 2008 - 1:36pm

"Republicans do not despise the Clintons as much as you think."

Why would they despise the Republican Lite candidate?

♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪

"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein

By hufflarry2000 May 15, 2008 - 1:36pm

Where to start? Ah, fuck it. I'll just dive right on in from the beginning...

It is just that so many Republicans have had enough of their party and are leaving it for the Dems.
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You'll note that those are not the dittodolts you are aligned with. The dittodolts you are aligned with, which were what the discussion was about before you conveniently tried to change it to all Republicans, wouldn't leave their Party for the Dems in a million years. Not unless the fat Pill Popper told them to do so.

Obama is getting a small majority of those votes except for in states like OH and PA.
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False. In regards to those Republicans that are leaving their Party, Obama gets a large majority of them.
In fact, Obama received the majority of Republican cross-over votes in the majority of contests up until the point where the Pill Popper urged his dittodolts to join you in your cause. Obama was getting upwards of 72% of the Republican cross-over vote (while Hillary was getting as low as 23%) before dittodolts aligned themselves with you. In states like OH and TX (during the height of it all), for example, that percentage for Obama dropped to 49% and went up for Hillary to 49% and dropped for Obama to 56% and went up for Hillary to 43% in OH and TX respectively. It continued on the same pattern in IN where the dynamic eventually flipped, with Hillary earning the majority of the Republican vote at 54% to Obama's 46%.

You would know this, if you took the time as I did to pick through the numbers.
But, instead, you like to pick shit out of your ass.
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I am not a ditto head

I am more liberal than you. Again, Rush does not have enough listeners or power to do anything like you say. He was just trying to fool you libtards into thinking that they wanted to run against Hillary. Like true libtards, you fell for it and will continue to fall for the right wing deceptions. You always do and we always lose. The Republicans are TERRIFIED of Hillary! They know that they can NEVER beat a Clinton.

By hufflarry2000 May 15, 2008 - 2:00pm

Well, if they can never beat a Clinton and a Clinton just got whooped by an Obama, I'd say we're just fine. Of course, that won't stop the racist in you from screaming "Stop blackie!" from now 'til Denver...
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Clinton did not get whooped

half the voters chose her.

as usual you are about half right.

Any stats on the breakdown are strictly ass stats, the study hasn't been done. I would agree that a fair number of those crossing over are people disenchanted by the repubs. Those are probably split fairly evenly or favoring Obama by a few points. The rest, and just how many is pure speculation, are operation chaos. They undoubtedly exist, My guess is 10% of the crossover vote. They were almost certainly the deciding factor in Indiana.

By SJerseyIndyMay 15, 2008 - 1:30pm

Sure it's a coincidence. And the earth is 6,000 years young, as flat as my niece's chest and man and dinosaur peacefully co-existed.

There. How's that for facts.

"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
Tracy Morgan, SNL

How did they "actively"

work to make her the nominee? The nonexistant "operation chaos"? I cant believe you guys fell for that crap. You better understand your enemy before you try to defeat them. But you libtards never do.

By hufflarry2000May 15, 2008 - 11:58am

Go back to clown hall with your "operation chaos" bull shit.

By anusleaky2000 May 15, 2008 - 11:58am

How did they "actively" work to make her the nominee?
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Did I say that? No, I didn't.
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By hufflarry2000May 15, 2008 - 11:47am

Anyone with a brain can see that Hillary has the most negatives. The right wing spin machine was built around the Clintons. The Clintons were life support for the fledgling FOX NEWS. A Clinton candidacy would revive the dying FOX news.

But you are really bitter. When we are talking about Obama's foreign policy next spring I'm sure you will be bitching about the nomination still.

Next spring

You will still be in a daze wondering what happened AGAIN! I am at least prepared for another massive defeat if Obama is the nominee. Plus I have a way to escape McCain America if I need too.

I'm curious, Sputter ...

You keep whining about 'you libtards wreck the party (AGAIN) we real Dems will rebuild it (AGAIN)"

Please explain when we libtards previously wrecked the party in such a way that you real dems need to rebuild it again ...

"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
Tracy Morgan, SNL

By Pookie2112May 15, 2008 - 10:08am

Here he is selling shoes

You give him FAR more credit than I do, f u ...

http://www.nick.com/turbonick/index.jhtml?extvideoid=46105

"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
Tracy Morgan, SNL

By Pookie2112May 15, 2008 - 10:08am

LOL! Good one.
Huff the Magic Moron IS Chris Cracker, errr, Crocker.

Support the Troops
End the Occupation

Do YOU ever read anything, gluehuffer?

gluehuffer wrote: "It (West Virginia) is a strong Dem state"

Uhhh... not so much.

President Shit For Brains won West Virginia... TWICE.

And how did WV vote before that?

You dont know anything about WV, you unreconstructed jackass. Hillary is VERY popular in that part of the country and in the rust belt. Obama is not. Obama cannot win the core Dem voters.

Up your medication hufflarry

You are on so much dope. I bet you can't keep food in your house from the fact of the munchies-overload you are going though. Hillary has no shot, no chance, and no prayer!! Face it. You know as the rest of America knows that 22% of the voters in WV said that race played an important part in their decision. Now that’s 22% that admitted it to a complete stranger, which only means that you can double that number to 44% that don't want an African American as president. Hell those dumbasses think that he shares the same views as Rev. Wright and that he is a Muslim. The non-thinking working class whites of America are just not willing to accept the fact that a Black WILL be the next president. Are you one of them hufflary?!?! Is that what you are saying?!!? that you too are one of the uneducated white working class? If so prove me wrong by thinking outside of the 50's and facing reality and giving this man a chance like they gave Kennedy and Reagan, and Clinton (even after he fucked Jennifer Flowers we still voted for him). Get over yourself man!!

The "non thinking working class whites"

are the base of the Dem party, you damned fool! Obama will not win them and therefore will lose the election to McCain. Black is just another loser in a long string of losing Dem candidates.

By hufflarry2000 May 15, 2008 - 10:39am

The "non thinking working class whites" are the base of the Dem party

Huff thinks he is the base of the party.

I am not the base of the party

I am a wealthy northeastern elitist liberal from old money. But at least I know who the base of the party is.

Oh Really??

gluehuffer wrote: "I am a wealthy northeastern elitist liberal from old money."

Oh really??... Good... Then go fuck yourself.

That explains why you're delusionally out-of-touch.

Thats strange

Are most of the primary voters out of touch too? Is the base of the Dem party out of touch too? Are the people in the big BLUE states out of touch too?

One thing is apparent...


THE DELEGATES AREN'T OUT OF TOUCH.

HEY gluehuffer!

My Guy Is Winning!

You're Guy Is LOSING!

ONE THING IS APPARENT...

THE DLEGATES AREN'T OUT OF TOUCH.

HEY gluehuffer!

My Guy Is Winning!

You're Guy Is LOSING!

Um, when did OHIO move to the NORTHEAST?

Do you even own a fucking MAP, Pinocchio?

P.S.- I find when people on a BLOG say they're wealthy, it's the first indication they are not. Why, you can be ANYONE on the internets!

"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
Tracy Morgan, SNL

Lets see

Ohio is in the north and it is in the east. I live in northeast Ohio. See how simple that is?

By hufflarry2000May 15, 2008 - 1:30pm

I suppose Ohio is part of New England too.

You are the only Ohioan i've ever talked to

that considers it so. It is generally considered to be in the Midwest.

Northeast Ohio

is nothing like the midwest. It is all urban and very heavily populated. And very heavily liberal and Dem. And Hillary is very popular here.

By hufflarry2000May 15, 2008 - 2:16pm

Yep, there aren't any urban areas in the Midwest. I wish my neighbors would recognize that fact; I could use some space.

Support the Troops
End the Occupation

re: By Guy Fawkes May 15, 2008 - 2:25pm

"Yep, there aren't any urban areas in the Midwest. I wish my neighbors would recognize that fact; I could use some space."

And the people in Chicago, Gary and Milwaukee must be really disappointed!

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"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein

Yeah, I wish that damn farmer would knock down his silo

because its spoiling the view from my highrise. Not to mention he's always parking his tractor in my parking space in the parking garage!

Greetings from rural Minneapolis! I'm sure huff will get to know the rural Twin Cities well when he watches the repub convention here in St. Paul this summer. It's the only place he'll see his favorite repubs like Lieberman and Hillary.

Problem for the repubs is...

Toe Tapping Joe may never leave the airport shitter!

Shhh...don't tell Hadassah!

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

So since Obama and Hillary are the same on most issues

I guess Obama is a Republican too? Obama is sure no liberal like you guys think he is. He panders to the right just like Hillary.

Sputter, I mean Pinocchio ... I think I vaguely remember

the story and if my memory serves me correctly, it goes like this:

The Midwest got sooooooooooooooo pissed OFF at Ohio for royally fucking up the 2004 elections, that the Midwest kicked it's retarded sister state, Ohio, out. Well, the Northwest took pity on poor Ohio and took it in but then realized you were there so the Northwest kicked Ohio out on its ass (and pretty goddamned quickly, too!). The Southwest almost took Ohio into its arms but that weakling Ohio IMMEDIATELY started melting in the hot, arrid, desert heat. Well, the South certainly wouldn't step up to the plate as it has its own issues with it's retarded brother Florida, so the compassionate Northeast took Ohio in. But before it was able to do that, the Northeast needed to make room for Ohio so the Northeast kicked New Jersey out because, well, it's the armpit of the nation (well, Northern New Jersey is). New Jersey is now, officially, a part of Mexico.

"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
Tracy Morgan, SNL

Easy on the NJ there Pook

Travel to the suburbs there. Morristown or Madison are almost indistinguishable from the suburbs of Hartford.

By gt6May 15, 2008 - 2:49pm

LOL - I figured the NJ residents here would enjoy some good-natured, tri-state ribbing! I actually have two cousins who live in Morristown and I absolutely love it. Especially in the fall! I agree, the suburbs of Hartford are nice but Hartford's a different story ... ;-)

"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
Tracy Morgan, SNL

Cousins

I wonder if I know them. I grew up there.

The fall is beautiful there, but if you can get there at christmas time, The Green is a must visit with the kids.

I don't know how old you are ...

but my cousins are both older than I - in their 60's - both are nuns at Villa Walsh (Sister Patty is the Mother Superior) ... I'm not a religious person but the architecture is stunning and the campus is beautiful. THe first time I went there was in the fall and I just fell in love with it. Thanks for the X-mas tip!

"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
Tracy Morgan, SNL

I'm not as old

and I never had any contact with the nuns there, but the view from that hilltop is SPECTACULAR in the fall.