VP Debate: The Moose is Obtuse

By Beau Friedlander

"I'll get right back to ya!" Ugh. It really places a nausea in my belly. I will now have to be hella cruel to a person who is so other-minded that nastiness from the likes of me is verbal silence. Here we go. Let's start by engaging in some name calling (as if we were at Biden's dream boxing match): Fine. So, Palin is the Cutie Pie from Who-Knows-Why and that's no good because that makes Biden Apollo Creed.

Now sure, go ahead and get mad about that. Call me sexist. (Note bene: Rocky was a punchy guy, not a quirky wolf-shooting gal.) But while you're calling me names, bear in mind Palin's been leaning on gender stereotyping to get folks smiling and cheering and generally not thinking long enough so that they'll do the wrong thing.

I read about a study that I may be mis-remembering (what I remember is the point, even if I've invented the whole thing) where researchers brought together "prim" types, you know, church ladies and the like peppered here and there with regular women. They showed these "subjects" a photograph of a cute little dog. In the foreground was the profile of a young woman's exposed breast. Very few outside the control group reported that there was a breast in the picture. They didn't see it! Now listen up. Red state America doesn't see what we do either. They think Sarah Palin's a spunky gal with a bandolier full of can-do and a sweet Browning over-and-under (you just made my point (in reverse) if you had to click the link). Hit refresh often as this be updated every few minutes. Enjoy the debate! This is the GOP's finest hour: They will show how marketing prowess can beat principle and substance. Ding!

She asked, "Can I call you Joe?" How charming. "Joe" is up first. And he's going to say stuff about how Bush stunk, and blahbittyblah on deregulation and how Barack Obama's going to make it all better. An excellent bag man from Delaware. Nice tie.

Palin tells you to go to a kid's soccer game. Nice! We're going to hear fear. That's what we'll hear. Why it will be fear you will hear in your ear. We need to get this problem to the rear of this year in the past (what an ass) I wish she'd say something. Fear my ear! Oh dear!

John McCain, says Palin, was talking to American workers and the work ethic--he didn't mean the economy (as he said?) was sound. Bah! I did all this stuff, Gwen, when I was mayor. Let's get er done. I think Americans want something new and different in there in that White House! McSame!!!

Heck yeah was there corruption. And Joe Six Pack (she said it! good marketing!!! beware) wants us to spank those jerks who tempted Americans. Buy what you can afford jerk-o.

Biden: Barack invented the argument against the sub-prime thing. We always knew this was a problem. John McCain thought the thing to do was open the chicken coop, put the fox in there, and close the chicken coop. It would be better if he stopped looking to his right. Palin is to his left. It looks like he's avoiding her. Now they're looking at each other and Joe's smiling. Now he's listening, paying attention. And Sarah, God love her, is talking tax relief like the second coming of president as product (Barbie edition). Makes Bush look like the first phase in the presidency-as-personality-product-launch. I may not answer the way you elites want me to, Gwen fancy pants and smarty smart smart Biden, but I'm gonna sit right on Joe Six Pack's lap and tell him what he wants to hear.

Taxes according to Biden: It's about fairness. Good. Stop. The superweathy are doing pretty well.

Palin takes issue. She's mad and looks smart actually. Damn. She just went ape okay all right and we just got to see her be a governor. Low expectations as a strategy set up just this sort of mediocre performance, making it look, well, good and not merely mediocre. Not bad. Thank God Biden is on the ball and actually has some character. Palin only has character, you see. So he needs to have some character.

They are talking health care, and that's the ultimate bridge to nowhere. Nice line, Joe.

What promises can't be kept? Biden says foreign assistance. Tax cuts too. McCain's $300 billion tax cut for the rich, or $400 billion for Exxon. But we cannot stop spending on education and affordable health care.

A h but Sarah Palin comes back with a massive blow to the body. Joe Biden is surprised. She is an enemy of big oil. She is strong. Watch her look less like Gidget and more like George W Bush in a skirt.

They are talking about energy. This is like listening to Britney Spears and Paul McCartney discuss a 100% meat diet.

Palin just said there's a toxic mess on Main Street that's affecting Wall Street, which is why she wants to make it harder for people to wiggle out of credit debt through the easy street of bankruptcy. Because it is so much fun to go bankrupt. And here's the pattern: Whenever Palin is nailed she whips out her resume. She is talking about energy. Because she's the country's foremost energy expert! (See what I did there? Real time, baby!!!)

Palin is kinda sorta saying there is no such thing as manmade climate change. Note to self: When someone is not screaming bloody murder about climate change, they are a denier. Biden thinks global warming is clearly manmade: If you don't understand the causes you can't solve the problem. McCain is a dirty, coal-loving codger. Swims in a lake of There Will Be Blood-style lake of oil, etc. Drill we must, because in drills we trust.


Clean coal is dirty
, Joe, which is why you just changed the topic (magic!) to gay marriage. Fancy. And of course when you agree that the gays are anathema to the American Dream you should of course begin talking about the war in Iraq. I am now eating cookies. They are making me feel sad. (The candidates, not the cookies.) White flag. Palin is a cockroach and I need the Black Flag. Take that you fugly golf monkey, Bill O'Reilly. Black Flag. It's a now defunct alternative rock (a.k.a. punk) band.

Palin tried to bring up the Barack Obama is not ready to be president thing up. Blahbittyblah. John McCain has been dead wrong regarding the fundamentals of war.

Iran and Pakistan. Pakistan, says Joe Biden, has the bomb. Say no more. He's right. Both countries could be game changers. McCain says the war, the main theater, is Iraq. It's not. It's in the hills of Afghanistan and Pakistan. So there.

Palin on same: Iraq is where Petraeus says the war is. So Iran cannot get nukes. Israel needs us. Dictators are Obama's friends. She repeats the lie. Obama did not say he'd meet with Ahmedinejad, which she can pronounce. The dictators hate America. Obama is beyond bad judgment, she says. Indeed. He past that shit in 1980 when he inhaled.

No one has been a better friend than Joe Biden to Israel. Bob Dole likes pineapple cake.

Gwen: Do you understand the art of high school debating?

Sarah: I understand the art of high school debating because the question about debating is one that speaks to high school and how we debate.

Joe Biden thinks John McCain will be the same as Bush. But he uses "than" when he should use "from" when he says they're no different from each other. Nuclear is NOT PRONOUNCED NUKYOOLER. WTF? Okay, calm down. They do that for Joe Six Pack. The fuckwit.

Barack Obama is for saving Afghanistan people, we're for killing terrorists, says Sarah. And all Afghanistan is filled with nothing but terrorists. Biden: The surge was retarded in Iraq (he didn't--I did) and said tactic will not work in Afghanistan. We need Rambo. Rambo could get the Ark of the Covenant, he could save the Oompa Loompas. (Yet another quickdraw McGraw link--check it slowpokes).

BTW Joe Biden has now sighed audibly twice. Bad move. Makes you sound like a windbag to us folks who say noooooookeeeeeeyar. Yes, I realize that I'm getting loopy. I will buckle down now. Promise.

This war is so beside the point. The Democrats don't care, and the Republicans love war. Change the topic. And here she goes: I'm not a Washington outsider, but you were totally against Obama, Senator. Said he'd make a bad president. I'm so unused to you smiling lying assholes in your nice suits. I drink beer. Really. And I am just saying, Joe, that when I drink beer with the guys in my bikini and shoot the shit out of stuff with an AK I think about pussies like you, and I laugh.

Can we please get to something substantive? This debate is thus far dealing in glittering generality, just as someone said it might. Specifics, Joe, will tie her in knots. Time to play the bully. Do it calmly. She is calm. She is just making fun of you Joe. You need to side step these little jabs--you don't even agree with Obama. That's what she's saying. You need to say: Sarah, a month ago you didn't have a passport.

Biden slaps back and sharpens and that is good. And there's your answer, Biden: Slap her back and she goes straight back to Wasilla, soccer moms, and Joe Six Pack. Taxes are bad. And now Joe is going to bring up his Joe Six Pack bona fides (he goes to some restaurant that sounds worker-ish and Home Depot where he hangs out all the time).

Palin: "Say it aint so, Joe." That's going to become a placard quote. I just thought of Tina Fey's pistol poking cutey. Boy howdy! Here she goes being at least gubernatorial on education and she does not sound stupid. But mind this: setting lower expectations allows not-sounding-stupid to sound good. Even Gwen Iffil just said everyone gets extra credit. No wipe out. She fell for it!!! And now, Sarah makes a funny. She uses the phrase, "lame joke." A new low in politics. Wanna work with ya! This is a president? Can you imagine her meeting with a real head of state? Oy.

Palin was just reading talking points! Hey! Ho!!! Fabulous.

Biden: Vice president has been the most dangerous VP in the history of the county. Nice! The VP supports the president; he doesn't tell him what to wear everyday and whisper what to say at press conferences from the bushes.

Conventional wisdom: Palin lacks experience. WTF? she says. I am a mom. I have a special needs kid. I have a kid in the war. I am was poor. She being reciting the Lord's Prayer dubbed over God Bless America.

Biden lacks discipline (I paraphrase): "That's kind," he says, hitching up his apron. "Other's talk about my excessive passion. Some talk about my inability to change. I did lots of stuff. I invented criminals. Then I put them in jail. I am a single parent. I know how to be poor. You should be quiet. Because my house is me and you are stupid, Sarah. My wife died. Shut up. You're making me cry. Go back to Alaska. Let us save this country, you hussy."

Palin: Look at that maverick stuff. McCain is the man. "He is the man we need to leave." She said it!!! Couldn't agree more. Yay. Biden wants to talk about the maverick thing: McCain has not been a maverick with regard to anything that folks care about. Nice. Palin is reeling. He has not been a maverick about the things that reflects the things people talk about around the kitchen table. Maverick he is not!

And the cutie pie from who-knows-why is down for the count. One... Two.... Three.....

 

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AHA!!

I KNEW she'd seem coherent!

[FRist!]

McCain/Palin '08....Manchurians for the New American Century!

Coherent

but never on topic.

By nmhank October 2, 2008 - 9:28pm

She does want to stay on a single element of multi-elemental questions. She also looks very rehearsed. I know that they both are, but Biden doesn't seem as unsure of himself, and Palin doesn't match Biden's willingness to address all elements of a question.

EDIT: And she can't even include solid numbers, in her energy producing state?

McCain/Palin '08....Manchurians for the New American Century!

By roadgoddessOctober 2, 2008 - 9:36pm

"She also looks very rehearsed."

Spot on, goddess. All fluff and absolutely NO substance. Attack, attack, attack. I thought Painful was pretty weak on attempting to separate them from Monkey Boy and Darth. She completely avoided going into any type of strategy or policy that would differ from those two dickheads. I will give Painful credit for her performance, she was very personable and probably struck a cord with those who are looking for 'someone like me', a superficial candidate they can have a beer with, but thought that when speaking outside of the 'folksy' crap, she looked almost strained, as if she was clenching her jaw in order to focus on what's been drilled into her head. That if she flubbed one word, her head would explode. By avoiding answering questions or giving answers that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic, Painful made it abundantly obvious that she HAD sticking to the script. I also was pretty put-off by her thinking SHE could write the rules of the debate, after she agreed to STICK to the rules of the debate. She almost treated the debate as if it was question time at the Ms. America Pagent, "Hi! I'm Ms. Alaska and I want world peace!". THE defining moment for me was when she said she would welcome expanding the legislative powers of the VP's office ... what the FUCK?? Legislative or not, the VP position has been functioning just fine, until Darth, of course, for over 200 years. Like we haven't had enough of that bullshit! Never mind a red flag, that was fucking nuclear!

I thought Biden started out kinda boring - almost as if he was afraid to do what he needed to do, to step on Painful's toes, constrained. The second half of the debate showed the Joe I know and love! He pretty much beat her over the head, while not directly 'attacking' her, with facts, strategies, policies. He was clear and concise and LOVED the not-so-subtle emotion in his voice when he started hammering away at Painful's lack of policy issues. AND, unlike McCrash, he wasn't condescending, patronizing, arrogant or angry. Yes, he did the "Joe Sixpack" shit, but in my mind, he seemed a bit more authentic. He showed emotion, something Painful didn't. I was impressed!

P.S. - She also couldn't name the Exxon Valdez case - in her own fucking STATE - to Couric!
"She's Cheney in drag." Me

By Pookie2112 October 3, 2008 - 9:47am

There should now be no doubt whatsoever that Ms. Palin is in WAY over her head. I almost feel sorry for her. Almost.

McCain/Palin '08....Manchurians for the New American Century!

By roadgoddessOctober 3, 2008 - 2:57pm

Ditt-fucking-o, goddess!

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

Yeah, what happened to her Housing

Yeah, what happened to her Housing reply?

oh, she just told the gas pipeline lie again

She claims they're building this huge gas pipeline....which isn't yet (and may never be) being built.....and which will go into Canada anyway.

Since the government doesn't own the oil, the profits of drill baby drill will still go to the multinational oil companies and not into the pockets of the government.

And, btw, how come no one talks about where the oil being pumped in Alaska actually winds up. Plenty of it is exported.

She's very folksy

She's doing a good, beauty pageant-quality job of talking without actually responding to the question.

That...when she does it well...

is her best talent.

One more lie....

down to presurge numbers in Iraq? No way.

Quick....ask her what constitutes "victory" in Iraq.

By nmhankOctober 2, 2008 - 9:42pm

The melt-down is beginning....

McCain/Palin '08....Manchurians for the New American Century!

Nuclear

Is it too much to ask for someone who can pronounce nuclear correctly?

By nmhank October 2, 2008 - 9:49pm

Not in a KKKarl Rove world.

McCain/Palin '08....Manchurians for the New American Century!

Yeah....it's about time

Biden sends out the truth about who is really in charge of Iran.

I hope he can make that point over and over each time she mentions Ahmahdinejad.....you know she only keeps repeating his name because they drilled it into her.

Nuclear

But she must've been practicing "ahmadinejad" (sp) pretty much nonstop.

And I never paid too much attention to Biden but he is so well-informed that his responses just blow hers right out of the water. I'm not sure she understands much of what she hears. She seems to be too busy looking for openings to repeat her catch phrases (darn right!).

What a cheerleader!

Independent and Undecided Voters

Surely, they can see the difference between repeating catch phrases or sending out a factual response.

Biden has the facts at his fingertips. And it clearly shows a definite difference in capability to deal with and understand the complex world in which we live.

Can I talk about ice cream sandwiches for a minute?

No, you can't-- lets hear about the housing crisis Answer the question asked, govy.

But, but, but....

she isn't asking me about the stuff I brought the crib notes on....

Anyone watching the CNN audience meter?

Biden is pegging the meter, while Saint Sarah is creating a few blips and a loittle more than a blip[ in the negative area.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Thanks...

I wasn't aware of the CNN meter....but I'm enjoying it now.

heh, heh, heh...

Bush Doctrine....good shot, Joe.

CNN meter

Oh, thanks for the reminder. I need to change the channel ...

Oh..My...Gawd!

Expanded powers for the V.P.????

EDIT: Did John McSame secretly change his name to "Maverick"?

McCain/Palin '08....Manchurians for the New American Century!

I think you caught the scariest line of the evening

Biden saying Cheney's a dangerous man.

And Palin's having a hot flash thinking out loud about all those expanded powers.

Achilles' heel

She has no idea what that means, does she?

Didn't......

appear to have a clue.

Oh thank god

FINALLY somebody points out that John McCain is NOT a maverick! Thank you Joe Biden!

Well,

she didn't puke on herself or fall down. That's probably enough for the right-wingers to try to claim this as a victory.

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

You are right

Check the conservative sites; they are beside themselves with glee.

She has a nice smile.

"Check the conservative sites"

Eewoo!

So they're ecstatic that she didn't fall flat on her face? TOO funny!

McCain/Palin '08....Manchurians for the New American Century!

Eewoo!

I know. They're just so relieved that she didn't embarrass herself. And you don't have to go to the web sites; listen to the CNN commentators and look at their rankings. Even the most conservative among them gives the debate to Biden. Their best hopes have been realized for this debate.

I found it telling that CNN's independent voters panel showed significant reduction in scores when Sarah was doing her down-home acts. Maybe we ain't so stupid after all.

I don't do conservative sites

And they're fine with that.

Biden slipped her up on the housing crisis question. She just moosed on with scripting. Old canned talking points.

She's been at it 5 weeks, and has about that much time left.

Boring

I though i was watching the Stepford wife,or Kendra from the Playboy show.She kept having to look at her note 's to get the programed message.I'm going to talk direct to the American people just did'nt fly

VP Debate

Sarah talked out of both sides of her mouth. On the one hand it is all right to have government come in and regulate Wall Street and then she said less government is good. Did you not hear that tonight? Why don't you pick up on her split personality?

Joe Biden

I have not heard Joe Biden before and he was excellent. The personal side of his story is so touching and his experience in foreign affairs is excellent.

I would like to say that here in the Heartland - Kansas - regrettably too republican - small businesses are hurting - I think Unemployment Insurance will become major and Congress needs to consider supporting the Workforce Investment Act and Unemployment Insurance and the Wagner-Peyser Act so that we can help folks get jobs, have something to live on while they are out of work and provide training dollars for training the unemployed in new occupations.

Be careful.

.
Both McCain and Palin apparently have a lot of experience with it comes to "affairs".

Palin's husband says,

Golly sakes punkin', these big city folks figured a way to put commercials right into the debates...only who you reckon wanna eat one of them thar Chili's® eels?

biden...

biden was awesome. he drilled them on the "maverick" bullshit, he touched a personal string, he wasn't gimmicky with it at all, he tied them both to Cheney / Bush ad infinitum, he was ALWAYS on the question topic in contrast to the self serving answers Palin gave that didn't even answer the question.

I think the punditry are gushing over her because she was able to string complete sentences together... she fucking winked and blew kisses, what kind of presidential candidate does that kind of shit?

I LOVE Biden. I liked him before, but now I LOVE him. He didn't cave when called out for differing from Obama on some things. He truly answered each and every question.

He was EXCELLENT.

By DantebenutoOctober 2, 2008 - 11:48pm

Yep, he tore that "maverick" myth apart in 69 seconds.

Vice Presidential Debate: "Maverick He Is Not"

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

She talked confident

Biden kept it down, played it cool.

This debate doesn't mean much. It possibly and only slightly energized the Republican base, but as soon as someone says, "I liked her plan to...." Oops, there was no plan. Just cliches and tired "Let's fight fight fight".

Most will talk about her glasses or her hair or the guys will say when the wife walks out of the room, "I'd like to bang her, hand me a brew".

Even on Fox, it's all, "I was so surprised that she was coherent" and "She won because she was energetic". Not a single "I liked her and John's plan to..." Oops, once again, there were no plans.

on CNN

one of the independent Ohio voters on the panel decided to vote for McCain. When asked why, she looked like Sarah Palin being interviewed by Katie Couric. Then she gave the "insane woman eye" look when the camera backed off. It was hysterical!

The problem with "independent voters"

theses days is that many of them are pure repub except they can't admit it anymore.

Wind her up and send her out... Palin is a caricature

Apparently incapable of original thought.

As the seed is planted so grows the tree

Stilted, very phony. She's a meager intellect below the line.

On the whole it (debate) was a yawn.

Trickle Down cascades its fraud and failures .

Feigned confidence leads the naive to their doom.

The entire Republican party is a testament, an open experimental result, to that axiom.

Sarah's political career might be drawing to a close,

but at least she can fall back on her flute playing skills. Nah, she sucks at that too.

Sarah Palin Plays the Flute

Then again, I guess that Todd's business partners appreciate the way she plays the skin flute. Maybe she can go with that...

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

Ok, Ive seen the debate.

Evil little demon on the one side of my shoulder had something to say, cause I was impressed with the handling of her answers of the director of planned parenthood.

On overturning Wade and birth control and abstinance only. Sarah Palin. I am a dude. a normal dude. But Id rather jam the pill down my daughters throat with my own callused fist, and then put the condom on her dumbass boyfriends cock myself.... with my mouth, then let that stupid little bitch I had raised to be so stupid bare one more of Earths un-needed to be born basterds who will no doubtively be neglected because they were bore to parents too young and dumb....

The late great George Carlin, on, the "debate".

http://search.msn.com/video/results.aspx?q=carlin+stupid+&docid=27593555...

um....

whoa.

My only other take on the debate,(Palin in the debate via Carlin

)Stupid, Full of Shit, or Fuckin Nuts. Some people are all three. And this take may be the more accurate of the 2. Replace some guy, people, and Dan Quail, with Sarah Palin.... and enjoy.

http://search.msn.com/video/results.aspx?q=carlin+people+are+stupid+&doc...

She Killed

McCain-Palin 2008 already has an ad up about the debate at the Washington Post tonight.

"She killed.
It was her
evening. She
was the star."
- Famous Person
(10/02/08)

Paid for by McCain-Palin 2008

I wonder what "famous person" was handed that assignment to spin. Maybe they assigned a "famous person" to each cable network? Or they forgot which "famous person" was supposed to spontaneously blurt it out?

Palin's "McClellan" moment was priceless!

I can't wait to hear what Generals: Grant, Sherman and Lee are up to these days.

LOL - Isn't he kinda ... really, really dead?? ;-)

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

Biden Palin Debate

Biden Palin Debate

Who won, who lost? We must admit that Palin didn't stumble but she comes across as insincere. Watching her, for me was like watching someone doing a toothpaste ad. I almost expected her to break out with a song and dance to the tune of "On the Good Ship Lollypop". I cannot see how any American's would look for someone to fill the position of the Vice-President because that person gives them the "warm fuzzies". As for the touted "breath of fresh air", we need a heavy duty vacumn cleaner to clean up the mess that American is in. Her fluff did not win me over.

James Gardner for Presiden?

Maverick, Maverick, Maverick! If it was Brett Maverick who was running for president then I'd vote for him because James Garner is a staunch Democrat. Palin, the real Brett Maverick never tolerated fools. And you know what, we won't either.

I don't think the voters are buying it anymore

The "Maverick" label has been overused to the point that it has no meaning and just sounds annoying as hell.

Except up here in North County of course, where the Ronnie Racists and Betty Burningcrosses are still holding out hope for Tancredo.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

I think the noun, verb, POW line is getting old, too.

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

My Mercedes in the shop?...no...you're driving it.

I think there's been an unwarranted overuse of the phrase, "I'm in stocks, hgh finance, and government, and I know what I'm doing."

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