Today's TRMS
We are live in Denver at the Democratic National Convention! While Obama is holed up in a hotel somewhere with nothing but a pad of paper and a pen to craft his acceptance speech, the convention is already off to an exciting start. Rachel has already seen Joe Biden walk by while she was having lunch and rumor has it that Ted Kennedy will be making a surprise appearance this evening. On tonight's show Rachel will be talking to columnist David Sirota about the inflated Hillary factor and former DNC chief Terry McAuliffe
- August 25, 2008








Hillary and her supporters
So I was watching hardball (wistfully waiting for the day I can watch MSNBC from Hardball through the Rachel Maddow show), And I am seeing a group of PUMA's (Party Unity My Ass) making all this noise in the background.
I think what we can safely say at this point is that when you run a campaign in a way that gives license to hold animosity, or worse, the way Senator Clinton did, it matters when it's all done. It could be the reason we don't disagree anymore we hate.
I cringed when Hillary used the word white" three times in a sentence to describe some polling and later talked of candidate assassination in matter of a fact way. The fact is a Religious leader could get arrested for very serious crimes if they made similar statements and one of their followers acted. Feelings and sentiments are real and you can't just control them by saying "OK I lost vote for Obama."
Unfortunately, I believe, all of the controversy is based in Americas original sin. There is the chance that our original sin could enable our downfall should many of Hillary's supporters choose to support McCain.
CitizenZ
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By CitizenZAugust 25, 2008 - 4:57pmWaiting for Maddow
Yes Citizen Z, I'm also waiting for Rachel's new show on the television machine and tonight's efforts on MSNBC's coverage were great advertisements for it. She was on top of her game in each segment, coming up with choice one liners, phrases (Post Rational!), and well expressed analysis when allowed to complete a thought. While Rachel's BFF (Uncle Pat) is good for a couple chuckles each night, I'd really like to see Rachel and Eugene Robinson get to the core of issues a few nights a week when Rachel gets her show. They seem to understand that they can actually exchange intelligent thoughts when they are not held back by the other talking heads.
I do like the suggestion from Friday of "Rachel Maddow's Television Machine"
My own suggestion is:
"Maddow's Desktop"
Besides the aforementioned segments with Eugene Robinson, I'd like to see the following segments carried over from the radio show:
News from Iraq - Life During Wartime
Ask Dr. Maddow
and a new feature called "The Archive File" which brings back those stories that require follow up after a few months.
Also, since Rachel does things a bit different than most hosts, a weekly Friday short segment called "Goals of the Week" (an excuse for a brief video intro to feed my soccer fix) when Rachel lists three impressive achievements in the area of current events, government, or politics.
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By JTGullsAugust 26, 2008 - 12:55amDefining Michelle
Oh, I forgot to mention how irritating it was to hear all day about the need for Michelle Obama to define herself, introduce herself, or show middle class America that she was just like them.
I half expected these pundits to want Michelle Obama to unzip her skin and reveal that she was actually just a normal potential white First Lady. Turns out that they were happy just to have her be close enough to Claire Huxtable in their minds. What were they expecting her to be? Moms Mabley?
I wonder if they will be calling on Cindy McCain to define herself, introduce herself and show how much she has in common with middle class America? Or at least the young middle class Americans who happen to be heiress to beer distributing fortunes, who lure married men into affairs? I wonder if Mrs. McCain will tell the story to the RNC how the Senator finally charmed her with an offer of an ice cream cone ... before he headed back home to his wife and child?
No, probably not. Only new footage of her First Lady humanitarian mission to Georgia, undoubtedly set up by Randy Scheunemann.
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By JTGullsAugust 26, 2008 - 1:13amThank You!
Excellent point on the expectation (or not so much) of having Cindy McCain "define" herself. Nope, only "exotic" folks like the Obamas have to constantly explain themselves, again despite Barack's memoirs that would cover some of those questions if people would just bother to pick up a book. And, yeah, what was w/ the Cosby/Huxtable references?? It's like saying, "now, you go be a nice black lady like that Claire Huxtable"...a fictional character.. . . ridiculous
Congrats, Rachel on your new show, sooooo excited for you!! And, what a trendsetter you were last night w/ your "post rational" moment. . . awesome.
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By K-DawgAugust 26, 2008 - 12:06pmSo...
...when the suits can't control the ambiance in the studio, Rachel gets big shout-outs from the crowd! Hoo-hoo!
But the introduction of the bots gets dead silence. Heh.
"If you want a picture of the future of Man, it is a boot in a human face--forever."--George Orwell
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By capn_crustyAugust 25, 2008 - 5:09pmLove the Rachel Commercials!
I'm still almost giddy about her show's debut. *g*
Has anyone else checked out TV Guide's listings? She's already listed for September 8th as "The Rachel Maddow Show!"
Woohoo!
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By ShelaghCAugust 25, 2008 - 5:16pmGeorgia Fox news - manufacturing news
You remember a Fox news story - about a 12 year old girl - which was bombed in a cafe in South Ossetia ?
What happend by Fox - The fox commentar (only on Youtube) speaks his entrance fighting the russians like John McCain. Then the 12 year old Girl, shy before the mic - spoke that she's fugitive from the Georgian bombs.
Over night she went to North ossetia - Moscow - USA.
Think twice when you hear one of this fox stories
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=ffJjyHhnjXM
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By StarschyAugust 25, 2008 - 5:21pmpromo for Rachel
msnbc has begun with promos for Rachel's new show...they do not say much but they show our favorite smarty pants looking oh so very cute.
Sure wish I was in Denver.
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By Erin KAugust 25, 2008 - 5:23pmThe promos started over the weekend
I was autorecording on Saturday and saw the two different spots that featured Rachel.
btw, I really like her hair today. The last few times she was on Countdown, someone was overdoing the hairspray like crazy! It's much more relaxed-looking right now.
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By ShelaghCAugust 25, 2008 - 5:29pmI can't see them because I
I can't see them because I have no TV! Please reply to my Full Length Video Podcast petition in the comments!
-Thanks
-Todd Smith
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By tbsmithAugust 25, 2008 - 8:18pmGo tell 'em, Rachel!
"... American Leadership is not something we do with a B-2 Bomber".
(Rachel referring to the link Obama needs to now make clear with American voters).
Go Rachel! You are so good at educating the public as to what the true meaning of these oft-touted concepts are--they've become so distorted and spun dry that folks no longer even get what a 'good leader' means.
Let's hope Obama's people are listening to you!
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By skeptical2August 25, 2008 - 5:35pm"Turn the screws on Iran"
This is the sort of talk, taken with his vote on FISA, his equivocating on offshore drilling, his record of "free trade" support and all around general corporatist support that has put me off Obama after my enthusiastic support during the primary.
I will be watching very closely during this convention to try to remember why I'm a Democrat at all, keeping company with the likes of Feinstein, Bayh and Biden.
I'm even disgusted with my attitude. But...
We have succumbed to Fascism. WAKE UP!
Mike G
http://www.quadkite.com
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By mguttorAugust 25, 2008 - 6:25pmSUGGESTED TITLE FOR RACHEL'S SHOW
DR. RACHEL MADDOW: T2P (i.e., "truth to power")
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By libbyliberalAugust 25, 2008 - 5:46pmI like it - "Truth to Power
I like it - "Truth to Power with Rachel Maddow"
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By tbsmithAugust 25, 2008 - 8:15pmthanks tbsmith
:)
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By libbyliberalAugust 25, 2008 - 8:49pmGlenn Greenwald discusses new Maddow show and its backlash
Assume people might have seen this already but FWIW:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/21/tnr/
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By libbyliberalAugust 25, 2008 - 5:59pmWhy no video?
C'mon AAR you can do a live video feed of Rachel.
(Unless she's taped of course)
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Cue Imperial Death March!
Impeach Bush!
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By HoneyBearKellyAugust 25, 2008 - 6:20pmShow title idea
Rachel Country with the musical theme of Rainbow Country by Bob Marley as remixed by Funkstar Deluxe.
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Cue Imperial Death March!
Impeach Bush!
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By HoneyBearKellyAugust 25, 2008 - 6:26pmName for the new show on MSNBC
I say bring back Kent Jones and call it KENT JONES NOW, hosted by Rachel Maddow, or else just Vigilance! with Rachel Maddow
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By svenskiAugust 25, 2008 - 6:33pmI was thinking Vigilance with RM too!
That would mean they'd *have* to bring in Kent! After all - it's his trademark!
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By ShelaghCAugust 25, 2008 - 6:40pmStop with Hillary
Stop talking about Hillary. I have been listening to Air America all day and all I have heard is Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. You are the ones keeping this supposed split talk alive. Playing right into the right wings hand for pete sake! We are our own worst enemies, I swear. If you don't want to hear about it
STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. You are the ones keeping it going.
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By NevadaTrixieAugust 25, 2008 - 6:36pmI have to agree with this.
I have to agree with this. Rachel is asking why the media is focusing so much on the Clintons, but even her asking that is in itself the media focusing on the Clintons! This Clinton thing is largely media driven and there's not much to be gained by focusing on it.
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By Jason M. BryantAugust 25, 2008 - 6:45pmHilary/Fay
I live in Florida and during tropical storm Fay , what seemed to be forever, I couldn't help think of how much it reminded me of Hilary. It was destructive, annoying, flooded the news, and didn't care who was in her way. And that's just it's good points
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By rusty_scupperAugust 26, 2008 - 8:00amWhat happened to Sirota?
What happened to Sirota? Seems like his head has moved to a new location. I turned him off and came back when the commercial came on.
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By HelgaAugust 25, 2008 - 6:40pmi missed it
What do you mean? I was working and didn't get to hear it. I get his newletter and he seems pretty consistent to me?
Mike G
http://www.quadkite.com
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By mguttorAugust 26, 2008 - 8:53amscrew that Rachal
keep asking the hard questions.
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By alyssaeAugust 25, 2008 - 6:44pmMcAuliffe almost cried
great job Rachell we are moving on from clinton's republican light administration
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By alyssaeAugust 25, 2008 - 6:46pmIf you see a PUMA, could you ask exactly which of Sen. Clinton's
positions the PUMA thinks McCain agrees with and Obama disagrees with?
I'm still trying to decide whether they're really Republicans posing as Clinton supporters.
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By 1BQAugust 25, 2008 - 6:49pmalso, many clinton "people"
also, many clinton "people" who have lived very well with them at the top of the party...are wondering where their next paycheck will come from. The Obama group has/will shut them out?
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By Erin KAugust 25, 2008 - 7:07pmI've seen some things about PUMA's being Republicans in disguise
Like this:
http://yestodemocracy.org/2008/06/29/puma-founded-by-republicans/
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By ShelaghCAugust 25, 2008 - 7:29pmYes, still some distance to go for the Clintons--"Tepid" indeed
Yes, the Clintons continue to be "tepid' re: endorsing Obama and it is newsworthy as we really need to look at this and confront it in order to move beyond it.
It's not enough to say something to the effect: "We really need a Democrat in office, so let's unite now and vote for Obama." (sort of a default, passive endorsement)
I say the onus is on them now to actively rally around Obama and specifically emphasize just how terrific and how competent a candidate he truly is.
They owe this to all Democrats--especially after their lackluster support and many mixed messages. There is simply too much at risk for them to NOT do this: Too many undecided, too much leftover anger that 'Saint Hilary' (gee, she wasn't even that great, IMO) didn't win, and there is too much racism (whether folks will admit it or not).
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By skeptical2August 25, 2008 - 7:03pmPetition for full length video podcast
Hi!
I would love to watch Rachel's new show, but I haven't owned a TV in 3 years! So I hope I can watch it the same way I watch Countdown- via full length video Podcast. So please respond to this message to let Rachel and MSNBC know that we want her new show to be released every day as a free full-length video podcast just like Countdown!
Thank You!
-Todd Smith
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By tbsmithAugust 25, 2008 - 8:13pmName idea for the new show
The Distillery!
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By AsteyaAugust 25, 2008 - 8:16pmtv land
great job Rachel...you are super smartypants!
You are on your way.
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By Erin KAugust 25, 2008 - 8:17pmtv coverage
Why is there such a preponderance of African-Americans being shown on the television coverage? I am an ardent Obama supporter, but it's divisive, artificial and exclusionary to focus on the African-American. We don't support him because he is! And, the commentators insist this is all being scripted......including recording people dancing during the entertainment? I speculate tv continues this tendency!
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By lcfahrAugust 25, 2008 - 8:24pmMcCain and Roe v. Wade
I thought that Rachel's comments, between 8:30 and 9pm (ET) this evening about the woman who was Clinton supporter and now appears in ad for McCain and is not aware of McCain's position on R v. W were great. Even though Rachel's great comment was stepped on by Pat Buchanan (always remember that he is a Republican), it, and other facts like this, need to be restated over and over again this week. It was simple, straight to the point, and very understandable.
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By JanetDickinsonPhDAugust 25, 2008 - 9:10pmFYI: Watching Rachel this
FYI:
Watching Rachel this evening it was just stunning to me that she has (and you have) this blind side when it comes to those of us who are NOT going to support an Obama presidency. I consider Rachel very bright, even more articulate, and often astute, but she has not USUALLY used those assets when evaluating the Obama scenario.
Putting aside her initial, quick jump onto BO’s bandwagon, and putting aside her segue into a female version of Kondracke to Olbermann’s Fred Barnes in the left-wing version of the Beltway Boys (meaning only entertaining notions – and guests – upon or among which there is total agreement), it is still stunning – the only appropriate adjective – that she (and you) haven’t been able to discern what it is that compels us.
By “us” I refer to my sisters and friends, all well over 40 (mostly well over 50), all life-long liberal activists, all well-educated, assertive women making $100,000 or more. None is a racist, some are black, some are Latina. Not exactly the demographic usually portrayed, unless to paint us as bitter harridans out for revenge.
Why would you choose to believe that we are bitter, that we are foolish, or that we have been hoodwinked, rather than that we have valid issues and valid reasons to eschew supporting this particular man in whom we have no trust and for whom we have no respect? In fact, we would wonder why you have bought into his rhetoric, have dismissed his lack of integrity, and have excused his maneuvering on the issues just as we predicted he would.
We are not withholding our support because Hillary was treated unfairly by the DNC. (We know whom we hold responsible there.) We DO withhold support because he and his campaign resorted to the most vicious form of character assassination on the Clintons, and that pill is MUCH too large to swallow. Why? Because it proved - back in January - that Obama was not who he purported to be, was not the clean non-politician held in high esteem, but was rather a low Chicago politician with a huge ambition. That proof has been confirmed again and again.
So we think that since he is not the man that has been sold to you and the others, we are just as happy with McCain as with him. McCain will only be able to do whatever damage the Congress allows, so we are putting all of our efforts, and all of our donations, into getting those 60 Senate votes. We think we will do it. And using Roe v Wade to try to scare us into submission is laughable. There have been many opportunities for the Republicans to move that agenda, but they are more interested in whittling away women’s rights than in taking on that behemoth. And they’ve been successful, but because of their Congressional majorities!
So at least try to understand that your mental image of us as foolish women who are ignorant of the repercussions is WAY off base. We think pretty clearly, we might say more clearly than you. You might disagree with us, but at least get us right!
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By magia1129August 25, 2008 - 9:52pmMagia, I think the reason we
Magia, I think the reason we don't believe you is because we didn't see things you say happen.
Right now there is a commercial from the McCain campaign highlighting some of the things Hillary said during the primaries. Things like how McCain was qualified to be President, but Obama wasn't. Sure, she's denouncing that ad now, but everyone knew when she said those things that they would come back to haunt her.
You say that Obama did "the most vicious form of character assassination," but what did he ever say that was worse than that? He never said anything that was as bad as her saying that McCain was more qualified than he was.
Obama messed up when he made the 'bitter' comments. But he messed up by phrasing it badly. A couple months earlier he had told Tim Russert that people in those rural areas had voted on economic issues for years without seeing any relief, so they got frustrated and stopped voting on that, voting instead on issues like the second amendment and religious issues. Nobody had a problem with that because it was a fair statement. Then he said it very poorly and the media reacted.
But Hillary made it much, much worse. She made speeches about how unfair that characterization was. She talked in interviews about how inappropriate that was from a candidate who says he represents the people. She called him 'elitist' repeatedly. She fed the fire and made his misstatement a major issue that dominated the news for a couple weeks.
A couple months later Hillary made a statement that some interpreted as a comment about RFK getting assassinated and how that was also possible with Obama. Obama's people put out a statement decrying what she said. She apologized to the Kennedy family and the Obama people said they were satisfied. That was it, they let it go and it died down much, much faster than the bitter statement.
I would never say that Hillary "resorted to the most vicious form of character assassination" because I think that would be a massive overstatement. But I do think that her campaign was more negative than Obama's. So when you say that about him, I don't find that logical, which makes me feel like there's really something else going on behind your words.
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By Jason M. BryantAugust 25, 2008 - 10:22pmUMMMM
Ummm you don't have to look too closely to see the wolf fur under your sheep's clothing Magia. Why don't you just come out and say that you're really a Republican operative. Honesty will get you more respect for your opinion than lying.
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By rusty_scupperAugust 26, 2008 - 8:28amLife Long Liberal?
If I wind up voting for Obama, it will be like taking castor oil. Some nasty medicine where the cure is nearly as bad as the ailment. The guy's a corporate tool. In the exact same mold as the DLC DINOs like the Clintons! They've shifted the party unrecognizably to the right in pursuit of corporate favor.
You're a "life long liberal", huh? So you'll be voting for Cynthia McKinney then, right? Or Nader? I was wondering what the issue with the PUMA people were. I see now. It really is a personality thing. You just wanted Clinton and you'll screw the Democrats and the country to ensure she has another shot in 4 years, which can't happen if Obama wins.
That's assuming you're not actually a bunch of Republicans who are trying to sow division.
Mike G
http://www.quadkite.com
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By mguttorAugust 26, 2008 - 10:16amWHAT?????
WHAT?????
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By rusty_scupperAugust 26, 2008 - 11:23pmMagia1129: Great example of: "Dumbing Down and Numbing Up"
Huh? What do you mean by "Low Chicago Politician"? Please be specific and don't use vague derogatory labels that are meaningless, ring hollow and only contribute to the dumbing down of this discussion.
And goodness--what politician isn't "ambitious"?! (In case you hadn't noticed, it's sort of a job requirement in this context). Since when is ambition a bad thing? Hilary isn't ambitious?
And if you so admire Hilary as a leader, why not follow her leadership now, as she implores the likes of you and your cronies to support Obama now 100%?
This was a very important point Rachel made recently--everyone says they respect Hilary's leadership so much , and yet some like you (and your "we" gang that you readily lump together as one mind) are now flat out undermining and insulting Hilary by ignoring her plead--namely to now unite around Obama and vote in a democrat lest we face a very dangerous option with McCain.
And BTW, what on earth does your age of 40+ along with your income of: '$100 grand or more' have to do with this discussion? Do you actually believe that these two factors somehow make you more credible or wise to speak on this topic?
And no--Obama was not at all vicious --on the contrary, he has run a highly ethical and classy above board campaign throughout. I get the sense you are stretching mighty hard to find reasons to not support him.
Please get a grip--no-one is trying to "scare you into submission"--are you paranoid now too? The scary facts speak for themselves--McCain is indeed very anti-choice and he is ready to vote in any Supreme Court Justice who will support his misogynistic policies. That IS indeed frightening-- and if you care about our young girls and still remain not the least bit frightened by his stance, including his love of war and playing the POW card to the hilt-- then you clearly are either numbed out or you're allowing your stubborn anger to distort the reality.
Insisting on this "post rational" logic (thanks Rachel) in the face of so many facts makes you less wise and less thoughtful--no matter your age or income.
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By skeptical2August 26, 2008 - 11:32amSince When?
Hillary ran a campaign appalling in its low-road racism and sleaze - against a fellow Democrat. Obama, by contrast, ran a high-road campaign every step of the way - but Hillary's deserved defeat is somehow Obama's fault?
I think it's more like, you didn't get your way - so if you can't have it, nobody can. Age or income be damned - this election is TOO important, for you more even than for me (hey, I'm a middle-aged Straight White Male - my body or right to marry isn't under assault by a bunch of politicians and judges!) for this Swift Boat crap....
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By drdarkenyAugust 26, 2008 - 11:42amPshaw.
Bushwah, in fact.
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaAugust 26, 2008 - 1:06pmPat B?
Which channel were you watching??
I've been viewing CNN all night (with an occasional switch to MSNBC) and did not perceive any negativity directed toward or related to Michelle! ("Dynamic", "Articulate" "What we're about", "Compelling") The only criticism was about the fact that issues weren't addressed during the evening, which didn't pertain to her. Personally, I was emotional about Ted's appearance and elated by Michelle's speech. I think she should be running for President!
This is one of the best openings I've watched since television became involved. Subsequently, I'm the only Democrat in my entire family and remain so. The Convention is so "scripted"..... the commentators invoke that comment every 10 min (Bathroom MUST be overwhelmed by the 15,000 media types. There are only 4000 delegates.) Little more than scores from Nuggets games being flashed (anyone know how they did?)
Bottom line utterance (quoting the Dick currently in office) Soooooooooooo.............
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By lcfahrAugust 26, 2008 - 1:44amThere R 3 cable networks that cover news, CNN/Faux are the worst
Once upon a time, I was a CNN fan, watching their network almost exclusively; but that was then before the corporations took over that station. It appears that someone at the top has decided to go after Faux Noise's audience and have taken a hard Right for all news and political discussion. It originates in the bastions of the executive offices and ends with the reporters (?) and anchors who speak to the viewers.
They got rid of many of their best people and hired marketing tests (Johnnie Roberts and Anderson Cooper come to mind) who say what their bosses tell them to repeat. They have become mind numbing robots who slant the news to the direction they want, RIGHTward. I no longer watch them much at all as they make me furious more than educate in any way. The concept that they are "the best political team in television" is simply ludicrous, but then I guess it has more to do with how you define "best".
Last night I watched both stations (MSNBC and CNN) and found that CNN was disgraceful in the way they covered the convention. For goodness sakes, it was the Democratic Convention and on Larry King all they had were Republican hacks to review the goings on. Give me a break, REPUBLICANS critiquing the Democratic convention? Shessh.
So, I have got to agree with whomever it was that suggested to you that CNN was negative, the results are in and the overall coverage was shameful.
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By Polly Tics (not verified)August 26, 2008 - 1:52pmYou go girl!
Way to give it to Uncle Pat! I wish I was there cheering you on! Keep up the good work and I look forward to your new tv show!
macart611/mickeypilot
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By mickeypilotAugust 25, 2008 - 9:24pmAll those cheers for our Rachel!
Woohoo!
Go Rachel! They love you too!
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By ShelaghCAugust 25, 2008 - 9:26pmShow Name Idea
How about Alter*Nation with Rachel Maddow?
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By singoutlouiseAugust 25, 2008 - 9:38pmMcCain the POW
Thank you Rachel for finally saying what so many seem sooo afraid of saying. How long is McCain going to continue using 'The Abuse Excuse?' If he had been any other airman shot down in Vietnam (instead of an admiral's son) they would've let him die. I'm sick and tired of hearing how 'Heroic' he was. Being a POW is not an act of heroism. Pulling the airman from the burning wreckage on the flight deck was McCain's one and only true heroic act.
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By B L AAugust 25, 2008 - 9:46pmB L A...Spot On!!!
You hit the nail on the head!!! I was just about to post the same thoughts. McCain was not the only POW during the Vietnam War. I lost a few good friends to "McNamara's War"! McCain using this for political gain is disgusting!
John Sidney McCain:
No Maverick
No Hero
No Admiral
No Trust
No Truth
No Plan
No Solutions
No President
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By Grumpy NorwegianAugust 25, 2008 - 10:11pmMcCain the victim
That's got to be the whole angle. You can't say (fill in the blank) about him because he's a victim.
Do we really want someone with a victim complex as our commander in chief?
btw, that was rhetorical.
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By ShelaghCAugust 25, 2008 - 10:25pmRE: McCain the POW
I agree. Rachel, thank you so much for calling the McCain campaign on their continuous exploitation of his POW status. Please continue to bring this to your listeners' (and soon, VIEWERS'!) attention. No one else seems to be willing to do it.
Also, since you've been asking for suggestions for your new TV show, maybe you could make the rule that guests should be able to finish a sentence without being interrupted. I get so tired of watching Pat Buchannon (among others) turn political conversation into a shouting match. If someone speaks out-of-turn, you could make them wear a dunce cap or something. Just a thought. :)
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By daanielleAugust 26, 2008 - 12:01amMcCain was a pilot?
I thought he was the Ensign on McHales Navy, oh no that was Tim Conway. I keep getting those two confused.
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By rusty_scupperAugust 26, 2008 - 8:40amWhoa
Don't you think you owe Tim an apology?
:winky:
"If you want a picture of the future of Man, it is a boot in a human face--forever."--George Orwell
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By capn_crustyAugust 26, 2008 - 11:11am"Hero" (n) - see "Victim"
Problem is McCain's taking advantage of our whole "victim culture" - where being on the receiving end of some tragedy makes all the victims somehow "heroic". Not to be a hardass about it, but isn't a hero supposed to, you know, do something heroic to earn that status - like the passengers of United 93 who gave their lives to stop the terrorists, or Prof. Librescu of Virginia Tech who rescued his students from Cho's spree killing at the cost of his?
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By drdarkenyAugust 26, 2008 - 12:06pmmagia1129, Since it appears
magia1129,
Since it appears you wrote your message while Michelle Obama was addressing the Convention, you missed a wonderful speech, and I question how open and informed you really are. I am a professional white woman, 60+ in years, and was just riveted to the TV when she was speaking. (Unfortunately, I never reached $100,000/year because I taught in universities.) Michelle's life story should be an inspiration to all women, no matter what age, color, or creed.
As for your statement "McCain will only be able to do whatever damage the Congress allows, so we are putting all of our efforts, and all of our donations, into getting those 60 Senate votes," you are showing your lack of ability to "think clearly." Look at the last 8 years!! Yes, McCain would be able to put a Supreme Court in place that can overturn R v. W.!
And, magia1129, you read much much more into my very short post than was there. Maybe some disgruntled Clinton supporters are suffering from displaced anger and, unfortunately, are willing to take out their anger by endangering the American public to continue to suffer under a similar administration that cares nothing about the average US citizen.
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By JanetDickinsonPhDAugust 25, 2008 - 10:41pmGreat job as always Rachel...
I loved your comment about your reaction to the 92 convention.
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By ashbAugust 25, 2008 - 10:52pmRachel on MSNBC tonight
Dear Rachel,
Your comments about how you felt in 1992 when Clinton was elected and how you felt that they accepted you for you, I too felt that way. For the first time in my life at the age of 45 I felt that I could be proud to be a out lesbian and not have to fear that the government hated me. You put it so well.
Thank you for being you.
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By candy47August 25, 2008 - 11:37pmRethink your image quick
Rachel, I know you've been hating the makeup and the stiff pose, but please don't dive too deep into your comfort zone. I'm a lesbian lawyer of Hillary's generation and I've learned a lot about being a distraction from your message. When you really want to be heard, you have to lose the anger, not lean into other people's space, and you need to smile.
I know you know about the smile. I know you see the points Barack has lost since he lost his smile. I know you know how hard it was to realize the John Edwards had charmed us with that grin. Yours is your most persuasive force, even for those of us who listen to your every word, there are inevitable lapses in concentration. But your confident smile holds out attention.
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By mclegalAugust 26, 2008 - 12:10amOh, it must be hard.
One of the worst things I can imagine is having to smile all the time--and we Americans as a nation demand it! I can't stand it sometimes.
My tenth grade English teacher said anyone who smiles all the time is either happy or the village idiot. Most citizens of the world probably agree with her. Yet kudos to you, mclegal, because I know what you're trying to avert.
"Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar"; Europeans place a great deal of value on dignity, and U.S. Americans do not. One of the first things we foreign students had to learn to do in Germany was stop smiling at the wrong times and start dressing well.
Still, this is politics. And the world is at stake. Poor Obama and Maddow.
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaAugust 26, 2008 - 8:42pmWhenever some shmoe tells me...
..."It takes 72 muscles to frown but only 54 to smile!" I ask "How many does it take to keep a neutral expression?" Leaves them either confused or pissed; either way, it makes my day!
:cheese:
"If you want a picture of the future of Man, it is a boot in a human face--forever."--George Orwell
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By capn_crustyAugust 26, 2008 - 9:28pmRachel smiles all the time.
Rachel smiles all the time. The video's posted to this blog show that she even smiles a lot during her radio show. I'm not what sure what you're suggesting.
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By Jason M. BryantAugust 26, 2008 - 1:49pmWhy I'm not a diplomat
I'm suggesting that I'll never be a diplomat, but I mean well.
I know you have to grin in this country--it just bugs me! Joseph Wilson developed facial paralysis at one point. He's probably not the only one.
'Course, at my family get-togethers we have had the following experience: Agèd Parent (A.P.) carefully positions camera with 30-second timer on a stepladder, then scurries back to sofa and squeezes in next to Buxtehude_Barbarossa. Siblings assume used car salesman rictus. During the interminable countdown, A.P., a leader of men, hisses to B_B, "Now, you'd better smile this time, Buxtehude! I know you're going to ruin this picture just like you ruin every family photo! You'd better show your teeth! That's all I'm saying!"
*FLASH*
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaAugust 26, 2008 - 8:36pmRespectfully disagree, mostly
Ms. McLegal:
I really do understand what you're saying. However, I'm not sure younger lesbians (or straight women, for that matter) in their 20s and 30s need very much instruction from those in their 40s and 50s. I think there's a lot of social status and hierarchy stuff around smiling. Some of those rules have changed (thank God) as more women have broken into traditionally male areas such as journalism, law, medicine, etc. I gotta tell you -- I'm proud of Maddow when she doesn't serve up deferential smiles to people who expect deference. In other words, I'm asking you to consider the possibility that what got you where you are might not be what gets Maddow where she wants to be. The rules are changing. And that's as it should be.
Plus, people in their 30s are fully grown up. I think Maddow navigates quite capably through the professional and social world in her own way. Frankly, the more MSNBC lets her be herself and the less makeup and smiles they slap on her, the more pleased I'll be. I'll be thrilled if a person who unapologetically describes herself as a "mannish" woman earns respect -- on national tv -- based on her smarts and political acumen.
I'm betting you feel that you helped open some doors (break some barriers) for younger lesbians and straight women. I feel like I have, and I think the impulse to do so is a very good one. However, I think all we really should do is open those doors. When they pass through those doors into more powerful places, I think it's fun and instructive to watch how they handle their new positions. I have a lot of confidence in Maddow and almost never feel that she needs much help from me. She'll probably teach us (the 40s and 50s crowd) quite a bit.
BTW, she does make mistakes. She was so so soooo WRONG about protesting the war at military bases in Wilmington (debate with Reickhoff (sp.?) long ago); and she really really goofed saying Mark Warner looked like Skeletor (also long long ago); and the talk she had with Al Gore about her AIDS banner had me rolling on the floor laughing. But I purposefully (until now) held my tongue, because she's pretty darned good at self-correcting, and she's still outrageously capable.
I think Maddow should smile or not smile as she sees fit.
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By essicAugust 27, 2008 - 8:01amPost-Script
BTW, when I was in law school, the male professors spent a lot of time training the female students OUT of deferential behaviour like smiling too much, allowing others to talk over us, prefacing our remarks with self deprecation and minimalization of our views, etc. Maddow seems to know these things instinctively, but we had to learn them. That's a good thing. It's called progress. Best not to interfere too much.
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By essicAugust 27, 2008 - 8:06amYeah! Watch Olbermann
Yeah! Watch Olbermann smile.
But McLegal's right that we must use all the means at our disposal. Rachel already is, beautifully.
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaAugust 27, 2008 - 1:03pmElection Coverage
Great job on the panel right before Michelle's incredible speech. Twice directly addressed the point about how many times McCain can use his POW background to deflect any difficult question or hit that hurts his credibility. This was great to see and she was cheered loudly by the crowd! Can we get her to moderate / interview McCain?? Yeah right they don't have the courage to respond to a REAL journalist. Great Job and I am now even more excited to see the new show!
Nick from Northern California
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By NickhaAugust 26, 2008 - 1:43am"post rational"
With that one,
you stopped everybody and made them think.
It was a beautiful thing, Rachel.
With one well placed phrase, you raised the level of discourse
for everyone at MSNBC, as well as the entire audience,
and you were only trying to be clear and tactful.
You proved that a forceful idea still has more power
than forceful presentation. Nicely Done!
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By MikeG-CaliforniaAugust 26, 2008 - 1:50amMcAuliffe's a regular genius & Pelosi too; "UNDER GOD" what?
The fact is that without ACCOUNTABILITY they INSIDE the BELTWAY CESSPOOL will continue with status quo