TODAY'S SHOW: FRIDAY, MAY 16TH, 2008
David Bender is filling in for Rachel today. He'll be talking to Andy Borowitz, California State Senator Sheila Kuehl , and Mark Green
- May 16, 2008
David Bender is filling in for Rachel today. He'll be talking to Andy Borowitz, California State Senator Sheila Kuehl , and Mark Green
no one is listening
to Rachel or Air America if one is to judge by the comments..........there are NONE. Rachel is never doing her own show and when she does manage to do an hour it is taped. She can't be on AA and MSNBC at the same time.
AA is fast becoming worthless.
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By HelgaMay 16, 2008 - 7:37pmShe ran me off when she started playing Road to the White House
I used to come back at 7:00 to listen to the rest of her show but I have found another show that I like as much as hers and I often don't come back until 9:00. I am happy for her that she is getting more exposure that could lead to ger own show on MSNBC but I am very disappointed with the poor programming decisions by the management of AAR. It seems like they are deliberately sabotaging the network for some reason.
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By tperranMay 16, 2008 - 8:10pm----------------SUPERDELEGATE
----------------SUPERDELEGATE COUNT-----------------------
New Clinton Endorsements:
TN Add-On Vicky Harwell (5/14)
CA DNC Keith Umemoto (5/16)
IN Rep. Brad Ellsworth (5/16)*
New Obama Endorsements:
College Democrat Chair Awais Khaleel (5/13)
Democrats Abroad Chair Christine Schon Marques (5/14)
IN Rep. Pete Visclosky (5/14)
OK DNC Member Mike Morgan (5/14)
WI DNC Member Lena Taylor (5/14)
WA Rep. Jim McDermott (5/15)
DC DNC Member Larry Cohen (5/15)
CA Rep. Howard Berman (5/15)
CA Rep. Henry Waxman (5/15)
CA Rep. Peter Stark (5/16)
MD DNC Greg Pecoraro (5/17)
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Obama + 10.5
Clinton + 3
* = under discussion
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-----------------EDWARDS DELEGATES---------------------
Clinton Endorsements:
None
Obama Endorsements:
(NH) Joshua Denton
(SC) Daniel Boan
(SC) Christine Brennan-Bond
(SC) Robert Groce
(SC) Susan Smith
(SC) Mike Evatt
(SC) Lauren Bilton
(IA)Machelle Crum
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Obama +8
Clinton +0
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By olkainflriMay 17, 2008 - 12:02pmRachel confused Pres. Andy Johnson with Andy Jackson!!!!!!!
Rachel was filling in for blowhard Keith Olbermann on 'Countdown' on MSNBC on Friday, May 16th. She announced that it was the 140th anniversary of the House of Representatives voting to impeach Pres. Andrew JACKSON. Sorry, she should have said Andrew JOHNSON. I thought Rachel was an expert on US Politics??? What a goof!!!! Maybe she spotted the error on her teleprompter but read "Jackson" anyway not wanting to throw a Bill O'Reilly style tantrum.
The irony is that Chris Matthews was a guest on Countdown for that episode bemoaning historical ignorance and the use of inaccurate/absurd historical analogies in political (non)discourse in the wake of the appearance of on Hardball of the ignorant right wing blowhard radio jock who could not explain why Neville Chamberlain was considered to be the prime example of an appeaser.
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By JacksonJohnsonMay 17, 2008 - 3:22pmOh! I listen
But I also use the forum to chit chat with other fans. Just because we are not talking about what was said on the show ad nauseum does not mean we don't listen to the show.
For example, I've noticed that a lot of comments specific to what was said on air happen during the show's airing. Since I podcast it and usually hear the show the day after its hard for me to comment. So I come here well after a) the show has aired, and b) well after I heard it. (such as today, Saturday -- I happen to hear some of it yesterday online)
If you indeed listen to the show you will notice from the "ask dr. maddow" section that a significant # of us podcast the show. Therefore, I would assume that a lot of listeners would follow my pattern of not commenting as the show airs, and then it's no longer timely.
And the last point.... by and large people express themselves when they disagree and/or are unhappy. Silence means we agree with her so there is not much to talk about, is there?
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By cool_princessieMay 17, 2008 - 3:57pmWar instead of economy
Rachel,
Great job, you are the best out there. I think the GOP is choosing the war to focus on is to distract from the economy and how really traitorous the the GOP is. The war is a much better(a loser still) topic to argue than the economy because the economy is a direct result of the war policy.
Go get 'em,
Dave Welch
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By vugravenMay 16, 2008 - 8:14pmRachel on MSNBC
I listen to Rachel on XM several days a week, and I enjoy her show. I enjoyed hearing her on NPR last weekend, and am happy to see her on MSNBC as she adds worthwhile viewpoints and fresh energy. Further, I'd love to see her have more visibility and have her perspective more widely dispersed, be it thorugh MSNBC or any other vehicle.
Simply put: GO RACHEL...you go girl!
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By mariejessieMay 16, 2008 - 8:21pmRachel Maddow on Countdown
You are brilliant.
Thank God for voices like yours. Articulate, sensible, and TRUE. So much light, so much clarity. We NEED this so much right now. Thank you thank you thank you.
I caught your Countdown tonight, and I want to join my voice to all the others and wish you well and great continued success.
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By wletmonMay 16, 2008 - 8:50pmRachel Madddow on Countdown
I ditto the compliments. You were wonderful on Countdown. It's do bad you can't get another time slot on AA. You are the only show I listen now and I used to listen to it all day long. But, I do podcast Thom's show and listen to it on the weekends. I also podcast yours. I do it through the SF 960am station where you can do it by the hour and if you are on the tv machine which I watch, then I don't podcast the 1st hour.
Congratulations on the good work on tv. Sometimes you are the only sane person, especially when Morning Joe and Uncle Pat are part of the panel.
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By PatConnorsMay 16, 2008 - 10:43pmWhew.
I'm very, very glad that the "house call" didn't mean Susan took a turn for the worse.
Even if I don't have a cable plugged into my television machine. Does anybody know where a person can stream the whole Countdown, not just the segment-at-a-time thing at msnbc.com?
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By palepinkMay 17, 2008 - 5:07amMaddowFans.com
palepink..
Go to Maddowfans.com to see any and ALL Maddow video clips. I subscribe to the video newsletter and get freshly minted Rachel videos delivered to my email box as they are uploaded to YouTube. You can also go to YouTube directly and subscribe to "Duckofprey": http://www.youtube.com/user/duckofprey
Duck has pretty much every single TeeVee appearance there is of Rachel. (thank you DUCK!!)
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By Athena1955May 17, 2008 - 7:42amYAY!
Thank you, Athena AND Duck AND maddowfans!
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By palepinkMay 17, 2008 - 2:35pmJoisey pride
Forwarded to me by a lifelong New Jerseyan (NJSharon: from my pal RU wbb diehard Paula). Video set throughout the Garden State, and in a diner (of course). Thought NJS and non-Jerseyans alike would enjoy. I think it's hilarious, captures NJ *perfectly*.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY4SF8xWKFo
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By chemgirlMay 16, 2008 - 10:19pmEek!
I mean, "Eyarrrrr!"
I used to know a guy from New Yawk who described Joisey as "the place where we dump our garbage". Guess that's what makes them gardens grow, eh?
"You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not by the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists"--Abbie Hoffman
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By capn_crustyMay 16, 2008 - 10:41pmHuckabee's bad joke
I watched NBC, ABC, and PBS news, and there was no mention of this. Huckabee never served in the military, yet tried to depict Obama as a coward. Not only that, he brought up images of assasinations and brutal killings of African Americans while trying to make a bad joke. I am sick and tired of arrogant Republicans getting away with this behavior without scrutiny from the media.
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By PatCoffeyMay 16, 2008 - 11:01pmObama - Bunny or the Snowplow
I think you now know the truth about Obama. He's actually a Chicago Machine politician. As far as I can tell he's the only honest one. He's more like a shark than a bunny facing a snowplow. His races before weren't that easy - he beat some tough machine dems before the rethugs imploded in his Senate race.
He's had the backbone to sidestep a lot of temptation and now today I heard what I have been waiting 8 years to hear. He called Bush a liar in public. He can go the distance. He just makes it look easy.
He's taking the calm thing a little too far though, no one is that even tempered!
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By sforslevMay 16, 2008 - 11:23pmOops!
Andrew Johnson, not Andrew Jackson...
I have not finished watching the Tivo yet to see if she (or anybody else) caught her little error.
(I did a weekly non-commercial radio show for 25 years and I made tons of mistakes ;-)
However, I think that any chance for a smart, funny and yes, sometimes sarcastic commentator to find a probably larger audience on the TV Machine is fine. I will listen to David Bender as well (I am getting podcasts of the show every day) and I think he is OK - not Rachel, but still worth listening to! AAR is in a very tough spot, loosing Randi and all, but I still hope they can hold it all together somehow...
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By domitypeMay 16, 2008 - 11:34pmFantastic Job!
Outstanding to see you on Countdown. You totally rock.
Those who hate government should not be in charge of government.
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By 3dogownedMay 16, 2008 - 11:47pmD'oh!
that will teach me not to skip through the commercials - good catch!
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By domitypeMay 16, 2008 - 11:58pmKeep on Keepin' On
Rachel... I have always been disappointed when Keith Olberman was absent from his show... Until you were given the spot. To my knowledge, This was your second time subbing for Keith & you bring the essence of his show to me, the Viewer & I enjoyed it. I always enjoy seeing you on MSNBC's various programs... If I could email Mr Olberman, I'd tell him that only you are worthy of stepping in for him... If you get your own show on I will be a fan for sure!!
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By Windy97222May 17, 2008 - 1:12amJohnson was indeed impeached, not nearly impeached
Rachel is the greatest thing on TV but she's got to watch out for the blurbs they hand her when she subs for Olbermann on Countdown. Not only did Rachel name the wrong president (which she acknowledged 15 minutes later), but the Senate did not "come close" to impeaching Andrew Johnson. I'd think a PHD in political science like Rachel would catch this herself (I mean, Jackson....in 1868??) The Congress (lower house) DID impeach him. that's what their role is. The Senate then tries the case, and in this case, like with Clinton, they declined to throw him out. But RM is still the best commentator on TV. As long as she's speaking for herself.
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By joeleeMay 17, 2008 - 2:24amRemember, she isn't a Ph.D.
She's got one of them weird furrin doctorates from a school that would have no reason to focus on U.S. presidents.
Also, when you say "lower house," you sound like one a them furriners, too. Here, we have the House and the Senate, generically called the two chambers of Congress. It's not good manners, in American etiquette, to refer to them as the "upper chamber" and the "lower chamber," each of them having powers that the other doesn't specifically because we didn't want to establish a ranking between them.
The Brits have the House of Lords and the House of Commons, the two Houses of Parliament. British etiquette has no problem with aristocracy, so they *are* called the upper house and the lower house.
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By palepinkMay 17, 2008 - 5:14amNews hole Black hole
I have tried to post several comments to the Countdown site - they have all been rejected for some unknown reason - I guess the Microsoft "Bots" don't really want human input - maybe they know I am sending from an Apple computer?
Maybe Rachel could address this issue sometime? Meanwhile, I will be waiting for Monday's show ( I know AAR has some interesting programs on the weekends but somehow I always seem to catch them on podcast, later on...)
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By domitypeMay 17, 2008 - 2:31amHuckabee's joke
I have a few thoughts on the Huckster's joke:
1) It wasn't funny. And I don't mean "not funny" to suggest the joke offended me. I mean it just wasn't worthy of laugh energy. Some people simply shouldn't improv.
2) Many people took the joke WAY too seriously, bringing up their outrage. They read into his joke about what he might have been suggesting (e.g. Is it okay to assassinate Barack Obama? Is he saying people should shoot him? Is he saying Obama is a klutz? etc.). This leads to my third point.
3) If you're a news nerd like me, you've seen plenty of examples of Huckabee's morbid sense of humor. He has a preacher's sense of humor, appropriately enough. Honestly, I think he's a funny guy. Remember his comment during a debate about the government "...spending money like John Edwards at a beauty shop."? How about the time he said to reporters on a hunting trip, "Well ... these three birds all said they would not vote for me on caucus day. You see what happened?" That's his dark sense of humor, and while many people don't think it's funny, some do. Personally, the darker and more potentially offensive, the more I love it.
Yes, the joke was very poorly placed and given his position in politics, he should have known better. But I don't think he meant to suggest anything malicious by his joke. He wanted to grab a quick laugh at the expense of the Democrat nominee to-be and color him as unmanly or a coward. A stupid thing to do, certainly, but hardly worth the energy of outrage - especially when there are so many things Huckabee has said that you can really get mad about.
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By nerdychefMay 17, 2008 - 5:47amHow much scripting does the Countdown staff do?
Or is there something like stage nerves going on with the cameras there? I feel like I'm seeing a very different interview style -- more talking, less of the willingness to let the interviewee shape the direction of the conversation that I love on the radio machine.
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By palepinkMay 17, 2008 - 7:14amWatched our dear Dr. on
Watched our dear Dr. on Countdown last night - so nice to see her smiling face on TV = )
Imagining what it must feel like for Mom & Dad to see their kid in the big time = J
& I felt a pang of sympathy every time she blinked - it looked like someone slathered on the liquid eyeliner there....?
Also, finally listened to the OTM interview & was wondering what, exactly, was meant by 'gunning' for my own show....?
(& yes I'm familiar w/ the term, but it's rather open to interpretation, isn't it?)
& yeesh! Those crappy, LAME jokes by Huckabee aren't dark - they're in SUPREMELY poor taste = P
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By pinellasMay 17, 2008 - 9:27amTed Kennedy rushed to hospital
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/16315978/detail.html?rss=bos&psp=ne...
"You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not by the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists"--Abbie Hoffman
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By capn_crustyMay 17, 2008 - 11:36amTenor of the campaign
David: West Virginia is one of the most backward, racist states in the Union, it was ever thus. 20 years ago when I was with Mutual Radio, I was out there with a friend of mine, a black radio engineer. We'd gone to look at the disastrous flood damage -- and we were run out of a small town. At one point 4 armed men, wearing red plaid jackets and carrying shotguns, surrounded the car and asked me: Is this "n%#$$@" with you? When I said yes, they told us to get out of town and not come back. We left.
When we later drove into New Town, W.Va, we were seated in a diner by the toilets in the back... again, because my companion was black.
I asked him if he knew this would be the case and his reply was - sure but you have to see life outside of DC. And again, months later when his father died and I went to pay my respects at the funeral home in North East Washington DC - I was asked to leave - because I'm white.
I would have been shocked if West Virginia had voted any differently -- and I expect Kentucky to be the same. After all Kentucky is where a recent potential candidate for Governor decided not to run because, I was told, Kentucky is not ready to elect a Jew.
If I were Hillary I wouldn't be claiming these states as huge victories. They are embarrassing reminders of the US at its worst.
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By janziffMay 17, 2008 - 1:27pmjanziff
Yes. You're exactly right. It's as bad as you say, and I don't think you've seen the worst of it. Glad you've seen some of it up close, and glad you find it intolerable. This is what poverty, poor education, irresponsible media, and neglectful governance do to a place and the people.
If you want to fight this, start by supporting affordable public education and joining up with direct efforts targeted at reducing rural poverty and parochialism.
Every time a leader from a state university proposes increasing enrollment, reaching into rural areas to get kids out of the coal mines and textile factories and into classrooms, and making it financially possible for them to get a degree, I open my checkbook.
This is hugely important stuff. It's not enough to expose and denounce it, and then move along. I can provide a list of organizations that are working hard and intelligently on these issues if you want. I really hope you'll support them, even if all you can give is five or ten bucks. It's good to gripe about racism. It's better to do something about it, and every little effort helps.
Say the word, and I'll post a list.
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By essicMay 17, 2008 - 2:34pmI want that list
I wouldn't exist if my mother hadn't left one of those coal towns to go to college -- and wound up marrying outside her race.
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By palepinkMay 17, 2008 - 2:38pmpalepink
Your mom left and married outside her race. I left and "married" inside my gender. :-)
I'll work on a complete list today and tomorrow. For now, I want to point you to one or two of my favorites.
The very best organization I know of is the Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity. It's a North Carolina initiative and, while much of its work is in NC, it also reaches beyond into places like New Orleans. Poke around at this website and you'll find a lot of ways to participate.
http://www.law.unc.edu/centers/poverty/default.aspx
UNC also launched a project called the Carolina Covenant, which ensures that kids from historically low-income families will graduate without any loans. UNC challenged other state universities across the nation to do the same, and many have answered (including some private and Ivy League schools, like Princeton).
http://www.unc.edu/carolinacovenant/
I'll work on compiling a list of the similar initiatives at other schools throughout the nation.
If you want to approach the issue of racism and racial violence directly, my favorite organization is Morris Dee's Southern Poverty Law Center. Can't say enough good things about these guys and gals -- they found a modicum of justice for the victims of the 1979 Greensboro Klan shooters when the criminal justice system failed to do so.
http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp
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By essicMay 17, 2008 - 3:13pmHey, me, too!
Inside my gender, that is. (Although without quotation marks -- we went to Canada in 2003 and the lady said "lawfully wedded" over us. And lawful is lawful.)
Before that, Mom's mother completely horrified everybody when she married outside her religion, so all I can think is that my poor kid is going to have to marry a Republican.
I'll check the N.C. stuff; I'm already a big SPLC fan. (Morris Dees worked miracles with the Aryan Nations trouble here in the Northwest.)
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By palepinkMay 18, 2008 - 3:26amMaybe other bloggers also have some suggestions
If anybody else has any organizations that they think deserve our donations or volunteer efforts, I hope you'll post them and explain how they help.
I also think it's important to include groups that reach beyond America's borders. Poverty, poor education, bad government, bad media -- they affect all places the same way.
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By essicMay 17, 2008 - 3:26pmThank you
*Sniff* That's beautiful, essic. Thank you for that list. The only helpful anti-poverty charity I was aware of from growing up in rural PA was a house for victims of domestic violence to hide in. Only, everyone in town knew which house it was.
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaMay 17, 2008 - 10:40pmDomestic violence shelters
These places save lives, and any support you can give them is vital. A very easy thing you can do is to donate an old cell phone. There are a number of phone service providers who will reprogram those phones so that they will call 911 for no charge. The shelters give those phones to victims of domestic violence (who are in the shelters precisely because they lack financial resources and cannot afford a cell phone). When victims leave the shelter and encounter their abusers, they can call the police for help for free.
This helps victims have some safety outside the shelters -- they can keep their jobs, keep their kids in school, and generally do the things they need to do to establish financial independence from their abusers. Financial independence is always the crucial first key in breaking the cycle of violence. People cannot get out of these relationships until they can support themselves and their children.
I Googled "domestic violence cell phones 911" and turned up a number of good links. Or just call your local shelter. Isn't that better than tossing your old cell phone in a landfill?
I realize that the location of the shelter is often a poorly-kept secret in many cities. Sometimes, when I knew my client's abuser knew where the shelter was, I'd go to the local churches, and they'd find a brave family willing to hide a victim in their home, at least long enough for me to go get a protective order and get the violence somewhat abated and we could find a more permanent solution.
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By essicMay 18, 2008 - 1:06pmJanziff
I wouldn't assume that people in WV and Kentucky are all backward, poor, uneducated and racist. That in itself is a prejudiced comment. I live in a large city that is full of uneducated, poor and racist people. Further, doesn't the Democratic party cater to the blue collar crowd? What do you think a lot of auto workers think about blacks and gays? There may not be a huge Jewish population in Kentucky, but, how would certain large cities that boast a liberal population take to a Catholic or Fundamentalist Christian mayor? Is Obama winning a large black area and McCain losing a large black area also a mark of shame?
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By Half RepublicanMay 19, 2008 - 12:42pmGood Lord, HR
Just exactly who are you arguing with?
NOBODY on this blog, including Janziff, said that everybody in WVa or Kentucky is poor and racist. NOBODY said racism is confined to the South. Go take a look at Morris Dees's maps of current hate-groups. Go look at the 1960s news films of people in Boston throwing rocks at school buses during desegregation.
For the record, as if it has to be said, there is no society, state, or city on the planet that is free from racism, poverty, ignorance, anti-Semitism, violence. For pete's sake, I'm English, Irish, Scottish, and (in an amount that doesn't quite qualify me for the rolls, but would qualify my father) Cherokee. Many Native American tribes took slaves during warfare, before and after the Europeans showed up in North America. So members of my gene pool persecuted my own gene pool -- on stupid principles. There's the Trail of Tears. A few of my English, Irish, and Scottish ancestors received Cherokee land from the US government in northern Georgia/southern North Carolina in lieu of pensions for service in the Revolution. But then again, go take a look at the Cherokees' history during the Civil War and their current views on admitting black people to the rolls. And I definitely have black cousins. It's complex stuff, HR. And I get really really tired of simplistic, bombastic views on this stuff.
I love the South dearly but critically. I love America dearly but critically. This is called patriotism.
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By essicMay 20, 2008 - 9:21amhow would certain large cities that boast a liberal population..
...take to a Catholic ... mayor?
Boston. Tom Menino.
San Francisco. Gavin Newsom.
Shall I go on?
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By chemgirlMay 20, 2008 - 2:14pmChicago, Richard Daley
Not necessarily "lib'ral", but staunchly Dem--machine-type Dem, sure. But still. And the potential is still there; I have yet to give up on the populist American unionist.
Note that I'm responding only to you, chemgirl.
"You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not by the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists"--Abbie Hoffman
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By capn_crustyMay 20, 2008 - 2:47pmGood show
HEY HOTTIE LOVED YOU ON COUNT DOWN
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By new americaMay 17, 2008 - 3:26pmRachel, I would appreciate your help on something
Hey Doc.,
I just read on politico how it's backfiring on NARAL the fact that they endorsed Obama. This reminded me about something I read a little while back that Oprah also had a backlash as well.
I was wondering if you could be to kind to invite someone to talk about this. I wonder if there is some unexplored issue here about powerful women/women's groups aligning themselves with the male candidate. Could it also be a race issue? After all, black men are scary, right? Especially if one is a white woman, right? Could I be oversimplifying the issue?
I would love to hear an expert analysis on this, and would be very grateful if you could please bring someone to discuss this on your show.
THANK YOU!!
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By cool_princessieMay 17, 2008 - 4:11pmTERMINATE Vs FLOOR FIGHT
TERMINATE Vs FLOOR FIGHT
It's not about the rules, it's about tactics. (D-NY) US/Senator Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton, does not intend to TERMINATE her campaign, but proceed to a FLOOR FIGHT at the convention.
TERMINATE: End the Clinton Campaign totally and release her delegates to (D-IL) US/Senator Barrack "Barry" Hussein Obama.
FLOOR FIGHT:
(1) Continue to campaign an gain as many "Pledged Delegates" as possible.
(2) With Puerto Rico gain a "Popular Vote" advantage, making her appear much like (D-TN) Former Vice President Al Gore having been denied the Presidency by the "Electoral College".
(3) Have Florida & Michigan seated taking as many delgates as Hillary can get.
(4) Keep the total "Pledged & Super-Delegates" count VERY close, and do not allow Obama to have a large cushion of delegates.
(5) Between 4th June and 25th Aug. Poach delegates to stop a first ballot nomination, of Obama.
(6) Force a FLOOR FIGHT, and gain the Nomination.
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By D. L. GRAHAMMay 17, 2008 - 5:06pmDuckofprey RULES!!
Last night I was too busy at a banquet for a local non-profit (www.aaci.org), so I was unable to watch Countdown. Since I had no idea Rachel was going to host it, I did not set the VCR. Thankfully, my wife and I (better said, my fiancee since she proposed again on Thursday after Calif. allowed same sex marriage) were able to watch it on YouTube.
Duckofprey, you ROCK!
http://youtube.com/user/duckofprey
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By cool_princessieMay 17, 2008 - 10:32pmReally enjoyed Friday's "Countdown"!
Brilliant! Thank you Rachel, and thank you, duckofprey.
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaMay 17, 2008 - 11:36pmappeasement
Thomas Glidewell I love this station! Why hasn't anyone asked "W" abouut his grandfather Presscott's indictment for violating war acts in 1942 for trading with Hitler's Germany? Was this appeasement also or just an effort to make money from the war? The fact that he was dealing thru off-shore companiees he controlled suggests the latter. My guess is that Bush doesn't even know his own family history. I'll bet the Jewish Kanesett would find this of interest given his recent speech there. Some of the Jewish survivors are aware of this since they sued the Bush family for restitution. Why should this be off-limits?
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By glidewellMay 18, 2008 - 12:29amRural Republican racism
My hometown (pop. 6000) had a furniture dealer who was supposedly the grand dragon in the state KKK. These days, when I visit the hoamland, I've observed an interesting phenomenon among the good ole boy older Republican men who run things. At parties, the call-and-response Masonic-handshake-equivalent is to loudly and slowly say something against Martin Luther King Day. It's imbued with extra meaning, quite formal and ritualistic. Answer correctly and they might give you a job, if you're not female. The county worthies (= good ole boy older Republican men who run things) have also recently developed a new longstanding tradition of renting a bus and driver and partying together on Martin Luther King Day and St. Patrick's Day.
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaMay 18, 2008 - 12:56amMy OLD home state...
...not only had 1/3 of it's electorate Klan back in the Twenties, not only elected a Klan governor then, too, but it also boasted (if you can call it that) the largest Klan rally ever held at the same time, at Kokomo, IN. The South ain't the only place that's got it's share of those pinheads (which, by the way, is why their hoods don't bend in the wind; think about it).
"You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not by the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists"--Abbie Hoffman
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By capn_crustyMay 18, 2008 - 2:07amMLK Day
The first time MLK Day was observed in Virginia, it was called "Stonewall Jackson, Martin Luther King, Robert E. Lee Day." I was a newcomer to Richmond, and I thought it was a joke -- a bad joke, but a joke. I did not believe it was real. Until, that is, I drove by the massive Robert E. Lee statue on Monument Avenue and saw a Civil War camp re-enactment in progress. It made my head almost explode when I realized a bunch of guys had dressed up in Confederate uniforms and were executing military drills around the base of Lee's statue on Martin Luther King's birthday. I parked, sat on the curb across from Lee Circle, and watched for a while. When I felt like I had a grip on the situation, I called the local African-American newspaper and told them what I saw.
I told them I had an idea. I told them I have great respect for history, and I have no gripe against re-enactments, at least in principle. But, if you're leaning on history to justify your actions, you have a duty to portray history accurately. And there was something missing from this particular re-enactment - namely, slaves. I asked if the staffers at the paper would call around and see if there were any black people who would be willing to cure the historical inaccuracies. Almost every real Confederate encampment had officers who took their slaves with them to war. A few black men dressed in rags, following the re-enactors around offering to polish their boots and behaving in other obsequious slavish ways ought to do the trick. The guy at the paper laughed and said he'd see what he could do.
I went back to the curb to watch. Eventually, black people started to arrive. Some did dress in slave rags, and they did start following the officers around, calling them "master." Others just stood on the perimeter of the circle holding up MLK signs.
A few local papers showed up and started snapping pictures. But the very best part of it all was the look on the re-enactors' faces when black men approached politely offering slave services. The re-enactors looked shocked and embarrassed. They really didn't get angry -- cognitive dissonance was all over their faces, and they just wanted to get out of there. The re-enactment broke up, but fast --and it happened quietly, with no confrontation or harsh words. The re-enactment just plain dissolved.
And I still like the idea that when confronted with a truer representation of history -- when forced to look directly at slavery personified -- the "history buffs" couldn't make eye contact or stomach reality and decided to go home. I also like the idea that the response stayed true to principles of nonviolence. Shaming is a powerful tool and, at least on this occasion, it helped.
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By essicMay 18, 2008 - 2:46pmgreat story
Thank you for sharing Essic.
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By cool_princessieMay 19, 2008 - 3:23pmYes, I enjoyed this!
Yes, I enjoyed this!
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By Buxtehude_BarbarossaMay 19, 2008 - 9:10pmHuckabee's "humor"
I've been thinking about this -- when I first heard it, my gut heard it as a racist threat. But my head is overruling that; I believe now that nothing of the sort was in Huckabee's head.
It's our side's parallel to the McCainiacs' conviction that "lost his bearings" was about age -- they saw an attack on age because fear of attacks on age has been brewing in the backs of their heads, along with fear that bringing up the topic could make such an attack more likely, so they can't even talk about their fears.
We've all got April 4, 1968, (and Feb. 21, 1965, although not so many people recognize the date of the assassination of Malcolm X) somewhere in the back of our heads. I was at an Obama fundraiser last month at which a state senator asked all of us who pray to pray hard that the Lord will keep him, and Michelle, and those two precious babies safe -- she was shaking as she asked it. I've been to a lot of political meetings and never heard anything even slightly like that before.
I don't know what to do. It seems like it would be wrong -- and stupid -- to try to pretend there isn't a danger. But it also seems likely that having our reactions on too short a trigger, seeing threats where there's just a dumb Huckster failing at improv comedy (Why does "Dying is easy -- comedy is hard" come to mind?), would be a mistake, if only because we don't want to be distracted from actual threats. And we don't need to waste energy on overprotesting stuff that only needs a scornful dismissal.
Does that make sense?
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By palepinkMay 18, 2008 - 3:49amHoodwinked
There are those who believe that human nature is so twisted that human’s cannot be left to decide for themselves what they should do. They fail to see the logical fallacy of a government run by humans being somehow more suited to making decisions for people. There are some who feel that the rules of economics are so inviolable that humans should be left to their own devices. They fail to see that wealth begets wealth and that the cycle ends in bloody revolution if left to run its course unabated. The system of government in the United States is brilliant in that it is designed to dampen the oscillations between these extreme positions. The party of the people and the party of the privileged take turns steering the ship to and fro with neither party gaining enough headway to allow complete disaster to ensue.
What would happen, however, if one segment of society were hoodwinked? What if the party of the privileged were able to masquerade as the party of the people? What if the people who only bought Chevy, Ford, or GM were the same people that supported union breaking, outsourcing, and global corporate governance? What if the people who called themselves Christians stood for governance that was not really all that compassionate? What if national security meant alienating the rest of the world with unilateral acts of aggression? If people fell for such schemes and believed them, then the pendulum could stop swinging. The wealthy would continue to act in their own best interests while the hapless majority would proudly vote for their own oppression. Unfortunately, the pendulum must swing or the cycle will run the course that Marx projected and history has demonstrated. If the viscous cycle of the concentration of wealth is allowed to continue too long, it ends in revolution. The Republican Party in the USA is indeed the party of the privileged and it is perpetuating its rule by masquerading as a party of the people, a masquerade that must be uncovered to avoid an imbalance too extreme to be easily corrected.
While some fly the Confederate flag, some buy only American Made Goods, and others are content to proudly display American flags, most Republicans consider themselves proud Americans. In the meantime, their party is granting major military contracts to Airbus over Boeing, signing trade agreements that make unregulated jobs overseas much more appealing to employers than creation of US jobs, and doing everything they can to weaken organized labor in the United States.
While the Republicans talk about eliminating dependence on foreign oil, they offer huge incentives to corporations to build new refineries that increase the demand for foreign oil. While talking about honor and responsibility, they refuse to sign the Kyoto accord, handcuff the EPA, and make only token gestures to encourage renewable energy development while other countries lead the way in those areas.
Claiming that economic development will only occur if corporations are untaxed, the Republicans imply that only the wealthy can create wealth. Many ideas die idle in the minds of a stifled middle class that the Republican policies would further stifle. These ideas would create jobs if middle class tax breaks allowed some in the middle class to accumulate enough of a safety net to risk starting a small business. But while the Republicans claim to represent small businesses, they represent only those who are doing well enough to afford to pay a higher tax bracket. Those doing this well are not going to throw in the towel because they are taxed on their wealth. By reducing the burden on those who are not doing as well, however, more will be allowed to get from point A to point B. This generates jobs and also gets them to the point where they can afford to pay higher taxes.
The Republican Party has a lot of people hoodwinked. They believe that economic activity is an end rather than a means. They believe that social injustice is not a moral problem. They have been convinced that the wealthy will provide opportunity to the commoners out of the goodness of their hearts without the need for government intervention. People will see; let’s hope it doesn’t take starvation to open their eyes. When the pendulum swings, as it will swing, lets hope it swings within the scope of American government rather than swinging as a hammer swung by commoners upon the American nobility.
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By jimpsullMay 18, 2008 - 5:30amOn the head
hey Jim,
You hit it on the head. One of the things that really twist me like a pretzel because I simply cannot get is the relationship between Christianity and money.
For example, Pat Robertson owns millions of dollars in stock on diamonds mines in Africa. This is such a brutal industry that makes one wonder why would a person who says he has a moral standing would support it. And for what? Money? Better say, MORE money? Since the guy is filthy rich as it is.
Which gets me to my second point. Many evangelical churches preach that financial success is a reward from god. Huh??? Last I checked Jesus said something about a camel, the eye of a needle, and the rich and heaven. So how can financial success and the quest of financial success be a reward from a god who said it very clearly that rich people won't get into heaven???
Oh, wait! I forgot... this section of the bible is *interpreted* to mean the "rich of spirit, or the non humble," whereas everything else is taken literally -- especially when it comes to women and gays. I guess that as a bible un-scholar who am I to judge.... only the forces that be -- such as Pat Robertson and his crownies -- are equipped to tell me what to take literally and what to interpret metaphorically. Sheesh!
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By cool_princessieMay 19, 2008 - 3:35pmKlan and Party Affiliation
I think it's a mistake to identify white supremacy groups with any party. In this day and age, the people who join the Klan are young and extremely marginalized. The modern race-based hate groups focus their recruitment efforts on disenfranchized youth -- kids who have slipped through our economic and justice systems -- kids who are homeless, in trouble with the law, poor, alienated from their families, often abused, uneducated, and angry. These kids don't give a whit about politics or political parties. They'll join up with any group that gives them shelter, a sense of dignity, and an explanation for their lot in life. And the Klan's often right there -- ready to provide them with a false sense of superiority and entitlement (based on race) and to channel their anger against others who have nothing to do with the failures these kids have experienced.
Before the 1980s, the Klan did occasionally support one party or the other on a sheerly opportunistic basis, and which party they chose varied from place to place. They've often tried to form third parties that more accurately match their ideology. But if you look at their history as a whole, they're basically against government itself. Even in colonial times, they attacked the crown's governors and agents of the crown (judges, tax collectors, census takers, sheriffs). This is true right through to modern times (e.g. Timothy McVeigh targeted a federal office building). And from the very beginning, they've operated shadow governments, complete with oaths, "courts," militaries, and "law enforcement," flags. They want to run or overthrow the government, and they'll do it by sedition, insurrection, or co-opting what exists. They just don't care about party, per se.
In a way, it's good news that, presently, they can recruit successfully only among people who are falling out of or neglected by the system. It means the groups, themselves, are marginalized. In fact, white supremacy groups are arguably more marginalized now than they ever have been in our history. That's good news. The bad news is that more and more people are falling out of the middle class and into hard times, and that means more of them will be looking for explanations and causes. Education helps them reject the stuff the Klan peddles -- helps people reject vacuous zero-sum gain theories of civil rights and governance -- helps them identify the real sources of their difficulties.
I am a proponent of a two-pronged approach. First, punish their criminal activity severely through (a) vigorous prosecution of crimes, and (b) money damages from civil suits. Second, recognize and remediate the root causes of the desperation that makes the Klan look good to ignorant people (re-enfranchise the poor and ignorant through education, information, fair economies and opportunities to earn a decent and honest living). The Klan recruits the vulnerable. Eliminate the vulnerability.
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By essicMay 18, 2008 - 1:26pmBush lectures Arab world on political reform
And he does so without any apparent sense of irony.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080518/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_mideast
"You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not by the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists"--Abbie Hoffman
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By capn_crustyMay 18, 2008 - 2:39pmZaius lives!
Orangutans stage twin breakouts on either coast!
http://www.kval.com/news/national/19054864.html
They were only waiting until Charlton Heston was safely dead, I'm thinkin'.
:cheese:
"You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not by the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists"--Abbie Hoffman
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By capn_crustyMay 18, 2008 - 10:57pmGreat Job 5/16/08 on MSNBC
Rachel, I thought you did a terrific job Friday night subbing for Keith on Countdown!
It's great to see you getting this exposure!
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By Pat PBMay 19, 2008 - 1:29pmMARIO WANT'S DREAM TICKET?
Former twice elected (D-NY) New York State Governor Mario Cuomo, came out on Face The Nation, in favor of a dream ticket, between (D-IL) US/Senator Barrack “Barry” Hussein Obama and (D-NY) US/Senator Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton, calling it the union of “Pros & Poetry”.
Now, being the cynical skeptic, it had entered my mind that it was more about New State politics, than national or party politics, and more about family politics than Hillary. Could it be that Mario was looking more at keeping Hillary out of New York in the Senate out of politics after two terms as Vice President? With all the rumors of getting Hillary out of the campaign by offering Hillary Gracey Mansion!
Was Mario thinking more long term say like (2016) or so? By then the FOPAR of son Andrew Cuomo, The New York Attorney-General, and son of Mario will have been forgotten;
"You can't shuck and jive at a press conference." That "shuck and jive" dates back to the 1870s and, says the dictionary, was an "originally southern 'Negro' expression for clowning, lying, and pretence". The only word not used was N*****R, but it is always inferred when you say Shuck’ in and Jive'n. (Are you Shuck’n and Jive’n me N****R?)
(SOURCE: The New York Attorney-General Andrew Cuomo).
Is Mario really looking long term, with the Clinton’s out of the way, to another Cuomo in the Governors Seat in New York, moving on up to “President Cuomo”?
Mario is there a method behind your madness?
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By D. L. GRAHAMMay 19, 2008 - 2:52pmCountdown Queen
What a wonderful surprise! You seemed more relaxed this time. Enjoyed #4 on the McCain flip-flopping. Could've done without the Giambi story, though.
:gross:
(I am *so* glad you corrected the Jackson/Johnson error/misspeak. When you said it, I let out a big "Oh nooooooo!" at my TV.)
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By chemgirlMay 19, 2008 - 4:34pmEffective tool against stop-loss?
US GI removed from Iraq for shooting Koran.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=11512
"You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not by the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists"--Abbie Hoffman
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By capn_crustyMay 19, 2008 - 4:35pm