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Listen: Ron Reagan discusses the economy with Bob Sullivan

From Ron Reagan:

Unfortunately, 'it’s the economy, stupid,' and I’m speaking with Bob Sullivan, who writes the popular blog The Red Tape Chronicles for MSNBC.com.

I'm talking "The week that was” with Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter. His latest book is "Between the Lines: A View Inside American Politics, People, and Culture."

Later in the show, the real differences between Obama and McCain’s healthcare plans with Richard Kirsch, Health Care for America Now’s National Campaign Manager, followed by an advocate for single payer plans, Geri Jenkins, Co-President of the California Nurses Association and National Nurses Organizing Committee.

The Nation’s John Nichols has an update on Trooper gate, including a report to be released today on the story and the McCain campaign’s claims that Sarah Palin was never contacted for testimony.

And Harry Shearer shares the many voices of Sarah Palin and why he thinks you can judge candidates by how they walk (not how they talk).

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Thanks for the warning

Opps; didn't mean it quite like that.

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

CrustedToyBoy: Dont worry we're not as challenged as you are.

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Hey Alter, think that the press have any responsibility for the state of the nation?


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Speaking for the whole blog, are you?

EOM

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

"Average " Sarah Palin

I have been hearing, as we all have, about how Sarah Palin is the average "joe six pack" hockey mom. I couldn't agree more. Question is..when did "average" become the gold standard for the United States of America? The average middle class person can not understand the terms of a mortgage he or she signs? The average corporate executive is oblivious to the fact that his company is going belly up? The average politician in Washington is not capable of understanding you can't spend money you don't have? We have seen what "average" can do for the last eight years. Average is not acceptable for the United States of America.

How about "below average"?

Given the current state of grade inflation, C students like Bush are well below average.

Even the grade of D that IAVA gave John McCain on veterans' issues -- if he were in any of my classes, D means really bad (40-49%).

so,

instead of the AVERAGE joe , lets ELECT a RADICAL that associates with non-repenting DOMESTIC TERRORISTS then.

I just said "hey"...

...to Bob.

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

John McCain

I have been embarrassed to watch George W. Bush every time he spoke and I felt he was an embarrassment to our country. Do we want to have another person who is an embarrassment? After having eight years of someone who has alienated us from our allies and the rest of the world, do we really want to have someone in the White House who cannot look someone who he dislikes in the eye like he did with Obama in the first debate? There will be many heads of state who he would not like personally, and it is not in our best interest to have our president acting cold and angry. A president needs to be strong, calm, cool and collected and not offend them with his behavior. Also, we have put up with a president for eight years who was stubborn and once he made a decision was not open to change - McCain would be the same way. He has a reputation of having a bad temper and his behavior in his speeches, he comes across that way - a deep anger below the surface. To be honest, I actually liked McCain the last time he ran and would have voted for him - but this time around he is a totally different person and has changed radically. I think it would actually be dangerous to have that type of personality in our White House. He doesn't seem like he would be open to allies opinions or even those advisors around him. I think he is set in his ways and an angry, old man. It is possible that his captivity in Vietnam made him angry deep down, and who could blame him for turning out that way? I am shocked that he feels comfortable running such a nasty campaign. We need to re-establish our image in the world and I think that he would just make it worse.

Our country is technologically advanced, and it is hard to imagine having a president who doesn't even work on a computer or the latest technology. Was he not willing to learn or too set in his ways? Would he be able to identify with the majority of our population and be progressive?

I think Obama has more of a presidential presence and temperament. I think he would be more open and honest with the public - and I don't get that opinion from McCain at all due to his behavior and the lies and twisted truth he tells. I think Obama would be able to repair relationships with our allies and the rest of the world compared to McCain acting cold, angry and rude (no eye contact if he didn't like the person).

As far as the consorting with terrorists - how many people check out the background of those they serve with on a board? Are you not going to lend your support to an organization until you vet all those involved just to make sure that dirty trick politics can't throw stones at you as you progress in your political career? There were tons of baby boomers who were involved in anti-Vietnam activities in their college days, and now they are leading upstanding lives. I doubt if many of them continued in similar activities as they got older. I can't imagine that Obama would have knowingly been in a relationship with someone who might hurt his career through association. He is more intelligent than that.

Why aren't the media digging into the "troopergate" situation and the associations that Palin had in Alaska that were inappropriate. Also, why not hit harder on the Keating Savings and Loan scandal? If they are going to try and derail the Obama campaign and keep him from being elected by using dirty tricks and digging up dirt - why not give it back equally?

annenberg repubs were palling around

with bill ayers.

I am - SHOCKED! Yes - SHOCKED! To Hear Republicans For Ayers!

Why - I'll bet they're all Traitors - and Moose-lum Fellow Travellers...!

Mmmm.... Moose.... Nice juicy ground moose...on a sesame seed bun....

mccain belonged to a group....

that pals around with nazi collaborators.

Hi mtmegiddo/aka mrhillaryone.

just behave youself.

What a great thread!

Da kommt 'ne Menge zusammen! All good things come to the Rachel Maddow show. Welcome, Ron and Harry!

Oh, Come ON!!!!!

I am sooo tired of people like Harwood, Alter, Barnicle, Gergen et al, who acknowledge the nastiness of McCain's campaign and his ads, and then try to say that "McCain's an honorable man and that this nastiness isn't his doing." Barnicle even tried to say he was just being badly advised. Rrrright.

HEY!!! This guy is running for President!!! If he isn't the one making the decisions in his campaign he DEFINITELY doesn't belong in the White House. If he is not choosing the road they are taking, if he is just a puppet who is having words put in his mouth by his big bad campaign advisors, the public deserves to know.

Is he not the one making the stump speeches after all? If this is a stand-in, or a robot controlled by Schmidt then I think they owe us the truth. Ayers, shmayers, is McCain a robot or not?

cheoO: "I am sooo tired" You and over a 1/3 of the populous.

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CrustedToyBoy's ilk, not so much. 1/8th are convinced that PRAVDA media is good for Amerika since the rabble are morons and the remainder either are too preoccupied to care, suffering from cognitive dissonance, and / or actually are idiots.


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Gore Vidal and 200,000,000 world wide, on the other hand concur with us.

Ask not for whom the ilk tolls

EOM

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

CrustedToyBoy: I must concede Palin is VP material & we're wrong

We feel your pain, however the vast majority of engineers and scientists who have studied the matter concur with our conclusions, just as the consensus on humanity influencing global warming is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Your inability to accept reality may be best understood in the psychological context of cognitive dissonance defined as an uncomfortable feeling or stress caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a fundamental cognitive drive to reduce this dissonance by modifying an existing belief, or rejecting one of the contradictory ideas.

Often one of the ideas is a fundamental element of ego, like "I am a good person" or "I made the right decision." This can result in rationalization when a person is presented with evidence of a bad choice. Prevention of cognitive dissonance may also contribute to confirmation bias or denial of discomforting evidence.

FYI:
Eastman Kodak was founded by the heirs of the photographer that took the adjacent snap shot while vacationing in Mesopotamia some time before the rapture.

HERE'S YOUR SIGN!

You got a sign for me...

...I got a gesture for you.

:cheese:

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

CrustedToyBoy: There ya go again. Best NON stare decisis guess

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Here's the gesture: www.tinyurl.com/HeraldAntonin

and

Here's why it's manifest cognitive dissonance: www.tinyurl.com/TrueFalseFlag

Amazing!

Totally wrong on both counts!

But keep on trucking, UltraWhoopeeCushion. Maybe someday you'll be able to successfully deflect the charge of insanity to someone else.

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

CrustedToyBoy: "both counts" What counts? Turning TROLLanese?

Not even the Next Generation Commander DATA could process the following at such a rate. Well, perhaps his neural net could, but you are certainly no DATA.

Please try again,

or rather for the FIRST TIME:

www.tinyurl.com/UBLsFalseFlagFacts

I don't need to read every word in the Bible...

...to know it's crap...or for that matter, wade through all your disjointed gibberish to realize you've got a major disconnect with the real world, Bucko. Same thing with this paranoid rant from a bunch of "911 Truthers" and other whacked-out neo-cons of their ilk, with their oh so spooky hypotheses that can never be tested, so therefore they're right. All this shows is that you're not the "loony leftie" you try to make yourself out to be--you're just another BushLickspittle like all the other trolls.

Now, you can stay up all night posting your weird ramblings (as you appear ready to do). I'm gonna go read a book, then hit the hay. See you on the "flipped" side.

I'm Also Tired of People Making Excuses

for McCain's inexcusable behavior, cheo - or for "respecting" him when he suddenly has a momentary glimmer of WHERE his campaign is taking this country.

He wants to be President - moreover, he believes he is entitled to be President, certainly more so than his opponent. All his campaign has proven to me is that he is not now, if indeed he ever was, worthy of being President.

Selah.

Mort Sahl!

Can you interview Mort Sahl about how important it is to have smart people, not just famous people, sitting on any investigative commissions? This economically disastrous yet genocidal administration is going to require a lot of investigating, and we want to do it right this time. No confusion.

Tom Lehrer!

What the hell: I'd also love to hear an interview with Tom Lehrer. Any pretext accepted.

Tom Lehrer?!?!? YES!

Sign me up for that, too! :)

::walks off humming "The Hunting Song"....::

Should I take the bait, as I always do ...

... and provide a linky to my favorite Lehrer jingle?

Sure, why not?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmwlzwGMMwc

Of COURSE You Should, ChemGirl :)

And to that wonderful, if VERY difficult to sing, number I would just like to add....

Send the Marines!

Troopergate report: Palin abused power

www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us/politics/11trooper.html

Can't wait for the spin from the McCain campaign on this one...

So here's the scenario

October 30: Palin resigns to "spend more time with her family", because everyone in it is pregnant--even the stuffed moose in the den.

October 31: McCain, following orders direct from the Bohemian Grove, announces her replacement (wait for it).

November 5: Thanks to illegal voting machines, traitorous state election officials and Supreme Court ideologues, McCain is certified as President, despite every poll in the universe giving Obama a ten-point lead; the public yawns, grabs a beer and some pizza, and leans back to watch American Idols Survive Spouse Swap.

January 20: McCain sworn in--late, because he got lost looking for the Capitol Steps and instead found himself at the DC Madame's old place.

February 1: McCain has fatal "heart attack" after eating take-out enchiladas delivered by a guy who looks suspiciously like G Gordon Liddy.

February 2: We end up with President Jeb Bush--for life; the public yawns, grabs some Pepsi and Chips Ahoy, and leans back to watch the new animated series Jack Chick Tells You What to Do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_Publications_Inc.

Do you really wanna bet I ain't close?

I ain't claiming nutin'

BUT that is one scary ass proposal you have there my dear!

One thing wrong

I think it'll be the melanoma that'll get him instead of the heart attack!

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BETTER THAN ,

THAT SCENARIO BETTER THAN OBAMA BEING THE PREZ.

Day late, $hort

Wait--Rachel is broadcasting from Seattle tonight? Why am I sitting in my home office working?

At least we're having a gorgeous sunset. Must have been another volcanic eruption in Alaska.

palin found guilty...

But Mr. Monegan has said that he believes he lost his job because he would not bend to pressure to dismiss Trooper Wooten. On July 28, the Legislative Council, a bipartisan body of House and Senate members who can convene to make decisions when the Legislature is not in session, approved an independent investigation into whether the governor abused the powers of her office to pursue a personal vendetta.

abuse her power

i personally have no problem with PALIN attempting to have her brother in law fired. that TROOPER was abusive to her sister ,tased her neiphew,he even drank on the job. and i have no problem with her FIRING the idiot that did not due the right thing either. if it would have been my kin TASERED by that PIG , hell most people would have done a whole lot worse to get EVEN with that trooper PIG of a cop .. you guys grasping at straws with your HIPOCRACY !

maybe what the panel is saying...

is she can be impeached but she can't be put in jail?

commission says palin didn't break the law but

she did violate the ethics act. huh?

palin fired the guy because he would

not fire the state trooper.

40 out of 2 million architects think...

911 might have been an inside job.

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Are we annoying you yet?

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Wow!

Looks like the weekend orderlies are letting THXWhoopie Cushion play with the computer! Lucky us! Pointless, wandering, long-winded, bile-filled insanity 24/7! Hoo-hoo!

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

Scrolled.

Looks like I am annoying you. Good. We're even.

Obama/Biden '08: the cure for electile dysfunction.

Lol lol lol

Thanks; I needed that!

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

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If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Breaking news from Austria

Austria's long had some dirty little (nazi) secrets, and in their recent election the right wing (nazi) parties got an unholy percentage of the vote, about 30%. Well, the most famous of their charismatic leaders, Jörg Haider, just died in a car accident. These sure are interesting times.

From an online article summarizing the results of the recent Austrian election on Sept. 28:

"Far-right parties took advantage of the squabbling, with the Austrian Freedom Party (FPÖ) of Heinz-Christian Strache becoming the third political force in the country, progressing from 11 to 18% in the new Parliament that will come out of the election. The Alliance for Austria's Future (BZÖ), a party formed by populist leader Jörg Haider after he broke away from the Freedom Party, jumped from four to 11.5%.

With 29.5% of the vote, the two far-right parties hold a virtual majority in the new parliament, putting them on an equal footing with the Social Democrats. Both parties have campaigned on anti-foreign sentiment, with Strache waging a campaign against Muslims and promising to pull Austria of the EU if he becomes chancellor.

Haider appeared on Austrian television on Sunday calling for a coalition of far-right parties. "Voters now expect us to do something for Austria. They do not want us steeped in animosity and fighting each other," he said, quoted in The Independent."

There's a photo of Haider in this article announcing the accident:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,583501,00.html
As you can see, part of his charisma was that he did not look 58.

so palin abused her power...

but she didn't break the law...

or i guess palin broke the ethics law

but not some other law.

10 repubs on alaskan commission and

4 dems. how is that partisan?

Rachel's show

There seems to be a total lack of awareness of TV principles known since the Reagan era on the part of producers. For half of the show, the excellent and well-produced commentary is run with a continuous loop of flattering imagery produced by the Republican campaign! Is this because of Rachel's radio background or a more sinister sabotaging of the show by NBC producers? The result is the same: free positive publicity for Republicans in direct contradiction to the verbal reporting. I thought this was TV 101, or neuroscience 101.

T-Mobile and our data

As you know, I've been wondering for some time about the involvement of T-Mobile (the mobile phone segment of Deutsche Telekom) in W's illegal wiretapping. Looks like they have been having some problems with data leaks:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,583569,00.html

"Account data of millions of T-Mobile customers were manipulatable"

Telekom has been rocked by a new gigantic data scandal: According to Spiegel research, sensitive data from over 30 million mobile phone customers, including bank data, was relatively easy to access and manipulate. Around the world. The leak has now been closed."

New James Bamford book on the NSA

"That's why there really needs to be a Congressional investigation into what went on at NSA."

Interview with NSA-specializing journalist James Bamford about his new book on the illegal wiretapping scandal:

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/10/bamford-intervi.html

My only question is...

...what the "home" is serving you for lunch today. Because to be frank, all the questions--and observations--which I've directed at you seem to get only tangental non-sequiturs and dance-arounds, caps-filled run-on sentences, and unrelated graphics as replies. So why bother treating your prose as anything other than an insectile annoyance? Surely you don't expect me to take you seriously? If so--what a pity.

PS: looks like someone's messing with the blog again; this was, of course, intended for one of SingSing's many rambling tirades. How it ended up here is beyond me, but maybe Bob ought to check to see if he's been hacked.

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

Perhaps Bob deleted a post

Perhaps Bob deleted a post and your got moved around inadvertently.

Jason, I think you're right about that

Bob has been great at helping keep these threads clean and clear of trolls. And lately with the election threshold getting higher in pitch, we need all the help we can get. My bet is with you, it's Bob deleting posts.

If so...

...then replacing responses in inappropriate threads might lead to some highly undesirable misunderstandings.

Additionally, I can't help but notice that some of the equally inane/insane postings from our favorite schizo-poster still remain on the page.

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

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If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

"Ambiguous rules with poor supervision"

More about "Operation Highlander," details from our illegal wiretapping programs:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/10/kinne.html

This is interesting: "Under USSID 18, the names of members of the U.S. legislative branch cannot appear in intelligence reports without special authorization." Why is that? Is there a good reason, or is it the kind of special privilege that allows members of Congress to telemarket me with robocalls at dinnertime, even after that's been made illegal for everyone else?

About our military's ongoing translator shortage: the Pentagon is working madly on translation software. Their solutions may render me obsolete, but in about fifty years rather than five due to the complexity of language and their poor leadership.

Ha, ha, ha!!! Translation

Ha, ha, ha!!! Translation software!!! That's rich.
Slang, erudite or archaic language and local word usage variations will be enough to get the computer to spit out gobbledygook.

Your tax dollars at work.

For some reason, our Armed Forces aren't finding enough Americans who can speak foreign languages.

A nice, smart kid I used to babysit in Hazzard is taking a 1-2 year crash course in Arabic, Farsi and Urdu or Pashtu, I forget which. Wonder how that'll work out. Also, linguists tend to include more women than men, for some reason, but the misogyny in those oil-rich regions of the world that we're setting afire means that women students who go there to really learn the language would, er, not experience the full culture. At least, that's my impression of those countries from afar, because I've never even been to Morocco. (Went to Seville though! :)

About that software: Firefox has a terrifyingly good addon called AutoTrans. Might eliminate linguists' gisting work, leave it to the law clerks. Which is good, I think. The other two translation software types are abbreviated MT (machine translation, = Babelfish and Firefox's AutoTrans) and TM (translation memory, GIGO). I use a TM that stores every sentence I've ever translated and then compares every new sentence to that memory. If the new sentence is identical to a previously translated sentence, the software translates it for me and moves on to the next new sentence. Predictably, there's now a lot of negotiation in my industry for repetition-based rebates (just say no!) and to twist translators' arms to get them to share their TM for free (just say no!). On dit that in future there will be large shared TM's online that a pool of translators will contribute to. Google's latest translation service is intended to be just such a pool, which they hope to hive-grow to astonishing size very quickly. However, GIGO. Maintaining a TM is very tricky. And requires the maintainer to have language skills that could be put to more lucrative and less dull use elsewhere.

Sorry to talk your ear off. It's always good to share information about what translators do, because very little is known.

I don't know if you remember

I don't know if you remember that back in the early days of the "war on terror", there were some women in the US using translation programs to get onto Arabic blogs and trying to get the people there to admit to being involved with terrorism. The news shows that interviewed the women made them sound like heroes. I think I laughed myself silly. The guys on the blogs probably recognized them right away as idiots using translation programs and played with them.

I've found the translation programs to be oddly stilted and their products needing re-translation into something understandable and grammatically correct. It's true that these programs have gotten better, but they still leave a lot to be desired. And I salute translators, especially simultaneous translators. I think it's incredibly difficult to think in two languages at the same time. I don't like translating. It's not easy.

Interpreters/translators

Actually, I vaguely remember reading about only one such woman who according to the article had the linguistic chops and supposedly had gleaned some useful information. Wish I could find that article now. On the Media? Using translation software to do that sounds... Team America, World Police.

I too salute interpreters! Watching diplomatic-level simultaneous interpreters work is like watching the Olympics. My brain doesn't function like that. It's also a different type of training. A translator colleague who also interprets had to relearn note-taking when she volunteered to record the minutes for one of our professional organizations.

Parles-tu français, Michtou?

Ben, oui, je parle

Ben, oui, je parle français.

Canadien(ne)?

Moi, j'ai étudié le français mais je n'ai jamais habité dans un pays francophon. Alors c'est si je ne l'avais fait pas--il faut exercer!

Je suis d’origine belge du

Je suis d’origine belge du côté de ma mère. J’ai vécu en France quand j’étais petite et je suis allée aux écoles françaises jusqu’à l’age de dix ans. La pratique est très importante, sinon on oublie tout, n'est-ce pas?

Le sigh! (le Pepe le Pew joke)

Oui! (Jealous!)

Question

Is it me, or does every word/phrase now sound stupid if you put the word "Operation ..." in front of it?

"Operation Pompous"
"Operation Modest"

"Operation Joke" is okay.
Which reminds me of Steve Martin; "Operation Banjo" = also okay.
"Operation SNAFU" = acceptable.

But BB - What About Operation Mad Ball?

Or Operation Petticoat?

Or Operation - The Goofy Game for Dopey Doctors?

John Lewis speaking out

To whom it may concern,

I thank out. It is not outrageous that you compared McCain campaign rhetoric to the words of George Wallace. I saw the rally’s and heard the people calling out and it was scary.
Why doesn't John McCain acknowledge what the people said at the Paline rally when they said "Bomb Obama" or "Kill the Terrorist"
Why doesn't John McCain acknowledge that Paline did not stop and tell them to stop that kind of language.
Perhaps John McCain finally did said something to his followers because John Lewis spoke up. After weeks of MCain ads stoking the fire when the ads insinuated that we didn't know who Obama was and tying him to a Terrorist.
We have a chance of finally electing a wonderful, qualified man to the office of President, and you know that we lost wonderful, qualified leaders in the past because of the atmosphere of hate. I fear for Obama and also hold him in high esteem because he is ready to lay down his life for our country just because he is running for office. I am grateful to their courage and grateful for John Lewis for speaking out to stop the Mob hysteria before it does get out of control.

Cheryl Long

Reform, Maverick,....yada yada yada

Watching Sara speak today..my wife smiled as i quoted her verbatim..before she spoke. Reform, maverick, shake things up etc. I am amazed at the talking heads and republicans who praise her debating and speaking skills. These are people with college educations and even law degrees. Any well prepared high school student would annihilate her in a debate. In fact, Ms. Palin, I am a truck driver from Illinois who hasn't given a public speech in twenty years and I don't think i would have a problem. That is, until you winked at me. My wife would make your slaughter of wolves for sport look like a "day at the park". Down here in the lower 48 women don't need moose rifles to get their point across.

Ignorance + arrogance

I should be working, but:

While listening to the podcast of Ron guest hosting Rachel's show, I had to laugh over the "ignorance and arrogance" comment. The Germans actually have a phrase for that. In ascending order, from bad to worse:

1. "Dumm" (= dumb)

2. "Dumm und dreist" (= dumb and arrogant)

3. "Dumm und dreist vom Dorf" (= dumb and arrogant and from a small village)

"Dumm und dreist und vom Dorf" tends to describe the twenty-something men who die in single-car fatalities every spring on the Autobahn, for example.